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Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:43 pmby OneBiteAtATime
Ok, numi-studs. I just bought a set of V-nicks at auction. I bought it for the 85 and 86 nicks. They were both quite nice.
Here's the deal. They are weighing in at 4.5 grams.
Does anyone see anything that raises a red flag? I don't want to waste the money on grading if their obviously wrong.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:54 pmby daviscfad
Compare yours to some that sold on heritage auction house
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:55 pmby NHsorter
Wow, if those are real, that is awesome! Best of luck with them. Sorry I am not a numi stud so I am I no use. Just here to wave pom poms.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:13 pmby brian0918
The weight is a real giveaway that something is wrong. I wouldn't expect it to be 10% underweight and look so good.
Some of this info may be useful:
http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle ... icleID=651
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:21 pmby Thogey
Sorry dude,
They really look like the fakes in brian's article.
If you look at the tip of the crown in relation to the stars, it really gives it away.
Hope you didn't get hurt too bad.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:25 pmby Thogey
Can't tell by your pics, but are the hair lines shallow like the ones in brian's article?
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:39 pmby OneBiteAtATime
If they're fakes, I don't think they're the ones in brians article. The hairlines are strong, but not too strong. The stars are good, not amorphus. The reeded edge has a pronounced line like the real deal in the lower picture.
Humph this is frustrating. If they're fake, they're good.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:44 pmby OneBiteAtATime
The consignor is a friend of mine. I didn't know it while I was bidding. Afterwards, we were talking and I told him I was concerned whether they were real because they were so nice. He told me "I bought this set in 1981."
I was surprised, didn't know it was his. His statement quelled my fears until I got home and weighed them....
Now I have a possible problem with both my friend, and the auction house, but I'm stuck with them.
I'll sell some of the horde to cover the loss. What can you do?
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:33 pmby Thogey
OneBiteAtATime wrote:The consignor is a friend of mine. I didn't know it while I was bidding. Afterwards, we were talking and I told him I was concerned whether they were real because they were so nice. He told me "I bought this set in 1981."
I was surprised, didn't know it was his. His statement quelled my fears until I got home and weighed them....
Now I have a possible problem with both my friend, and the auction house, but I'm stuck with them.
I'll sell some of the horde to cover the loss. What can you do?
You take them back to the auction house and pound them up their a$$, that's what you do.
Don't be a laydown!. Noone can sell you counterfeits.
You are on high ground with a dbt and fake coins. You're going to let them screw you out of $800?
I'd bite his nose off!
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:40 pmby OneBiteAtATime
you're right.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:45 pmby ScottyTX
Humm, Looks like really good fakes to me but not 100% sure. On the 1886 is it missing a point on the star at the 10 o'clock position? They appear to be slightly lacking in star details but I'm not 100% sure if it's wear of from the die as I'm no expert...
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:02 pmby OneBiteAtATime
ScottyTX wrote:Humm, Looks like really good fakes to me but not 100% sure. On the 1886 is it missing a point on the star at the 10 o'clock position? They appear to be slightly lacking in star details but I'm not 100% sure if it's wear of from the die as I'm no expert...
I'm afraid I'm going to have to send them away to be sure. The local coin guy hesitated to give me a
or
.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:05 pmby NHsorter
Stupid question probably, but just to cover all the bases. Did you run a magnet over them yet?
Remind that auction guy that he could be in deep doo doo for selling counterfeit US currency.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:15 pmby OneBiteAtATime
NHsorter wrote:Stupid question probably, but just to cover all the bases. Did you run a magnet over them yet?
Remind that auction guy that he could be in deep doo doo for selling counterfeit US currency.
They don't stick.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:16 pmby Country
Better to submit these, as there are fakes. I don't like the look of the "5" in the 1885. Nor the leaning "6" of the 1886.
Notice the differences in this authentic proof 1886 from those you have:
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:30 pmby OneBiteAtATime
One of the local coin stores said they'd send them in. Going to submit that Chinese dollar too. Let you know in about 3 weeks or so!
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:58 pmby OneBiteAtATime
Sumbitted them myself....
BODYBAGS.
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:39 pmby daviscfad
Stinks! Who did u send to?
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:44 pmby Thogey
Thogey wrote:OneBiteAtATime wrote:The consignor is a friend of mine. I didn't know it while I was bidding. Afterwards, we were talking and I told him I was concerned whether they were real because they were so nice. He told me "I bought this set in 1981."
I was surprised, didn't know it was his. His statement quelled my fears until I got home and weighed them....
Now I have a possible problem with both my friend, and the auction house, but I'm stuck with them.
I'll sell some of the horde to cover the loss. What can you do?
You take them back to the auction house and pound them up their a$$, that's what you do.
Don't be a laydown!. Noone can sell you counterfeits.
You are on high ground with a dbt and fake coins. You're going to let them screw you out of $800?
I'd bite his nose off!
Re: Possible Fake 1885 & 1886 V nicks
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Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:20 pmby OneBiteAtATime
We've already had the conversation, Thogey. Both the auctioneer and the consignor will reverse the transaction.