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So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:11 pm
by Market Harmony
Beside owning & operating Market Harmony, I am also a part-time coin dealer. I buy for the purpose of resale, but man I love coins. My personal collection, believe it or not, contains a whopping 13 coins. Yes, that is it. I do not have a retail shop where I deal with customers all day. No, I work a keyboard, phone, loupe, and a pen with indelible ink. Pretty simple, right? hmmm.....

I often get asked whether I deal in coins full time, or whether I have a store. My answer is always the same... I do this for fun on the weekends. My full-time job is Market Harmony bullion and refining. But yes, dealing does add income to the bottom line, and lately it has reached 50/50 status with the refining & bullion side of the business. This year alone, I have already done 14 shows; and this is my primary market for dealing in coins.

I have spent unknown hours and dollars on refining my eye. Dollars? Yes, I paid tuition to the grading services. I have devoured as much as I could in learning the art of coin grading, but testing my abilities by submitting to the major grading services taught me more than any book or conversation. This cost was my tuition. The results of the time spent assigning grades and then to get a professional 3rd party opinion has drastically improved my eye for grading. Don't ask, you don't want to know how many coins I have sent off to the various graders. And the information I have accumulated, though costly, has probably saved me thousands by being able to determine cleaning and counterfeits. It has also helped me to turn a decent coin into a great coin if I feel it is undergraded and then resubmit to get an "upgrade"

I have an inventory of coins that would scare my grandmother. She went through the 1st Great Depression, as well as having her family home swept away in the same massive flood which wiped out Johnstown, PA. She was born with nothing, raised with nothing, married into poverty, worked in steel mills during WW II while here husband was in Japan, raised 3 children, never drove a car, and died at 93 with no wealth other than a $30K house. Her eyes would bulge if she knew what I have paid for little pieces of metal as old as her. And that affects me, too. I think about that all the time... that these discs only have a value that someone else puts on them... bottom line is that my neck could be on the chopping block if I needed to scramble for cash.

Safety? I just read about a dealer that had to shoot a robber. And what about theft?

In an industry that is receiving renewed scrutiny due to CfG operations, and consumer advocacy groups, the title "coin dealer", or "bullion broker", is getting a bad reputation. Regulations are increasing. Enforcement is improving. The tax collectors' eyes are on the dealers.

But, the best part of it all is the people. Realcent is just a part of my whole. And the people of realcent are a spectacular group. I thank each and every one of you, and I hope I get to meet you at one of my shows. Perhaps one day you'll get to walk into a Market Harmony store near you 8-)

Has anyone here ever considered becoming a dealer? You need: a passion for coins, passion for work, capital, inventory, guts and guns, legal advice or acumen, and a love of people. Still up for it?

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:20 pm
by Rodebaugh
Don't forget the fast cars and faster women that come with being a coin dealer.

*Cane and top hat sold separately

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:25 pm
by Market Harmony
Rodebaugh wrote:Don't forget the fast cars and faster women that come with being a coin dealer.

*Cane and top hat sold separately


Not sure whether I should consider that a pro or con... The last date I had was anything but BU :lol:

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:55 pm
by Thogey
Market Harmony wrote: You need: a passion for coins, passion for work, capital, inventory, guts and guns, legal advice or acumen, and a love of people. Still up for it?


You also need a back up job.

Coin dealing is a tough job with mostly low margins and now these crazy metals and currency markets.

Yeh Michael you gotta be a smart hard-working guy to make it in the coin business. Deals come up and you need to drop everything and produce cash to make them happen, lots of risk and frustration.

Bully for you MH!

Great post.

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:12 am
by JadeDragon
Market Harmony wrote: My personal collection, believe it or not, contains a whopping 13 coins. Yes, that is it.


My personal collection includes thousands of coins in bins and bags. Not a single one in graded plastic.

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:37 am
by 68Camaro
Sounds like a MH franchise could be available near you!

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:43 pm
by theo
Great post!

When is your next show?

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:50 pm
by Market Harmony
theo wrote:Great post!

When is your next show?


My next show is a smallish one (about 25 dealers) at Castle Shannon Fire Hall from 8:30 am to 2:00 pm this Sunday, July 10... see you there :D

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:49 pm
by fasTT
Rodebaugh wrote:Don't forget the fast cars and faster women that come with being a coin dealer.

*Cane and top hat sold separately


Don't let the nickname fool ya. ;)



Nice post Mike.

You should add that cash flow is always a killer. However, the business runs much better when you have good contacts that you can trust and horse trade with. Those contacts take time to cultivate, but if you are lucky enough, you end up with friends as well as good business partners.

May I also say that there is nothing better in the world than working for yourself. Your boss may be an ass, but you know where you stand.

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:08 pm
by Market Harmony
Yes, FasTT, you are right... cash flow can make or break some deals and if you don't have it, then it is like given your competition some business.

The friends that I have made in the business have always started as business acquaintances. But when like-minded people continue to be in contact, and mutual respect is formed, then friendship is inevitable. I'm happy to many realcenters my friends, and I look forward to more.

And, as a side note, today is the birthday of Market Harmony LLC... I established the company on 07/07/07 just for some added luck ;) One more year in business and I get to beat the statistics of failure. Wish me more luck! :D

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:41 pm
by beauanderos
Yes, Mike... I'd like to become an online dealer at some point in time (maybe five years or so when I'm too old for RN). I've been acquiring inventory for for eight years, but I see myself more as a bullion distributor (in time) then becoming an expert at grading and selling high end coins. Conga rats on your business, great post, and continued success to MH ;)

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:46 pm
by beachbum999
Market Harmony wrote:Yes, FasTT, you are right... cash flow can make or break some deals and if you don't have it, then it is like given your competition some business.

The friends that I have made in the business have always started as business acquaintances. But when like-minded people continue to be in contact, and mutual respect is formed, then friendship is inevitable. I'm happy to many realcenters my friends, and I look forward to more.

And, as a side note, today is the birthday of Market Harmony LLC... I established the company on 07/07/07 just for some added luck ;) One more year in business and I get to beat the statistics of failure. Wish me more luck! :D


congrats!

13 coins? wow! they must be really impressive. I don't think I could narrow mine down to 13 just yet. (no offense. lol).

Re: So you want to be a coin dealer...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:42 am
by adagirl
MH I have always enjoyed reading your posts. Thanks for sharing & best of luck. The business world is tough, but you practice sound money, so I think you will do just fine! :D