Kurr wrote:With all due respect shiek (and I do respect what you have to say), I disagree.
Over 90% of "the public" made their displeasure with the proposed healthcare legislation known. Protests, marches, calls, letters, faxes, you name it. Guess what, did they "representitives listen? NOPE! Just passed what they wanted anyway. How is that our fault?
How about the TARP? Again, mass expression of displeasure, a clear cut majority. Did they listen? NOPE. Did what they wanted anyway. How is that our fault?
What do you do when the SCOTUS upholds unconstitutional laws? How is that our fault? They are appointed by the same crooked folks mentioned above.
I also noticed you left nullification either by states or juries off your option list. I think Jury nullification is our last line of defense, but what do you do when they judge says to the jury "I'll tell you what the law says and how to interpret it"?
And you say Obamacare is the most egregious law de jur law? Where were you on helmet laws? How about car insurance? Are we not made to purchase a goods or service there as well? we are made to purchase liscense plates, permits, and a whole host of other things every day. This "healthcare" situation is nothing new.
What would you propose to deal with the current situation where the will of the people is blatently ignored to our extreme detriment?
Kurr, there is so much to respond to in your post. We are a nation of 300+ million people. There are competing ideas of how to run our government. Look how diverse the opinions here at Realcent are, and we are a very tiny community with a narrowed focus on coins. Imagine how difficult it is to make 300+ million people happy!
Yes, many many people took to the streets to express their displeasure about the Congress elected in 2008. The 2008 Congress is a manifestation of the left gaining control to enact laws they felt were best for the people who elected them. Now the Right will have it's turn when Congress reconvienes in January, 2011. We must hold the Right accountable and sternly warn them
What I am proposing is that we engage the political apparatus of this country and change the course of this nation back to where it once was. That will take the rest of your life, the rest of my life, the rest of AG. Metal's life. Look at how the Left has worked tirelessly for gain all the laws on the books it wanted. It has happened over the course of 80 years. For many on the Left, it has been a pretty good gig. They have enriched themselves in the process.
We can do the same thing. We can vote out of office those who oppose us and vote into office those who will work things the way we want them. Why not? The main thing we need is to capture the imagination of "the people". Convince the people to vote for Liberty, not serfdom.
I do not see a defensive posture being a good one on all the issues we talk about at Realcent. I am not one to hunker down into a homemade bunker and curse the darkness as it gathers around me. That is a losing scenario. You will be a sitting duck for jack-boots who get their jollies by kicking in doors. The best defense is a good offense! Remember that line? Go on the offensive. Take the issues that chaff your hide to your rep's and senators and make them understand their job is on the line!
I have never been more displeased with SCOTUS than right now. Two lawsuits I have donated money to support were denied writs of certiorari. Justice Thomas has even joked they are "avoiding the issue". No matter how displeased I am with them, they are still the final judges on all Constitutional issues. The way to overcome stupid judges is once again the political process. Judges can be impeached, but only if you hold a majority willing to impeach them.
Kurr, I am sure I am not addressing all your questions, but I hope you get my drift.
Win the majority! That is what we have to do. Then, it will be us writting the law, or repealing bad laws. It has been a long time since I read the King James version of the Holy Bible. I am trying to remember where it is in the New Testament that the Apostle says: "God forbid! We write the law!"