Oakair wrote:As for the guaranteed income provided by the state...WHERE is the problem?
It comes from other people's money taken from them by force.
Im assuming it would be generated by taxes ALREADY collected. Our government takes taxes, no? We gripe about the USE/WASTE of that collected 'revenue'...If we all got an equal cut and were taxed fairly (read: to create an equal situation among all wherein none needed to worry about livelihood or scraping by), that would be good...No?
No. I'm not interested in getting a "cut" of anyone else's money if they don't want to give it to me, and I don't think it's fair for them to have a cut of mine either. People gripe about the way tax money is used, because when you have to pay it either way, and then the government goes and spends it on something stupid and unnecessary, it makes it that much worse. But the real issue is reducing taxes all around, or eliminating them completely if possible, not spending them better. I also don't see any reason to think this would come from taxes already collected... what are they going to cut to pay for it?
The program proposed is limited in its ability to be exploited by the fact that there are CLOSED BORDERS and restrictions to immigration. Have fun trying to move there
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...It is fair to all citizens, and represents the care and concern of the people for the most VULNERABLE...
Actually, it represents giving welfare to everyone whether they need it or not, which is quite bizarre. Everyone pays into it, everyone takes out of it. Almost like it's all one big collective money supply that just gets temporarily distributed to individuals according to their need. That sounds kind of like... you guessed it... communism.
Detach yourself from the western/American conception of "scary socialist/communist" policies and view the way the world should be. The way a community should be. Or live in your gated mansions fearing your neighbor and government every second...whatever...
Liberals/communists/socialists always say this... if we don't like socialism, it must be because we're American. There's no way anyone else could value freedom. It's just our ignorant cultural mindset that hasn't opened us up to the joys of collectivism. I don't share your vision of the way the world, or community, should be. I don't think the community has the right to oppress individuals just because it can. In fact, I would even say that if the only way your community can exist is by forcing unwilling people to contribute to and/or participate in it, maybe it shouldn't.
And call me a wimp, but yes, I do find the thought of communism "scary". Tens of millions of dead Russians and Chinese would probably agree with me. I also think our own government has given us ample reason to be wary of it.