natsb88 wrote:Historically conservatives favor free markets. Free markets cross political boundaries.
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Free markets are NOT free trade though. Historically AND today more conservatives support protectionist mindsets then do liberals and the left. Nice play on words though.
Protectionism is big government, economic authoritarianism. No matter which side pushes it.
Trump's tariffs are an inflationary mechanism. They artificially raise prices with the difference pocketed by government. Tariffs can be targeted, but when you are talking about tariffs on a range of goods as wide as everything China produces, the end result is the same as printing money. Dress it up with patriotic "America first" language and theorize that it will bring hordes of jobs back to the US. It's just lipstick on a pig.
A pig that provably builds a nations middle class, whole the alternative is competing directly with people who cant afford shoes and arent walthy enough to care if their drinking water is clean enough to drink safely.
You describe a problem of overspending, of living beyond our means, of an unsustainable middle class, made possible only by inflating the dollar. You know it can't last. You know the spending has to come down. But you want to soften the blow. So you propose tariffs, another form of inflation. Inflation is bad, but we need more inflation? You sound like the Fed. Having your cake and eating it too.
I support proven methods to buffer us from meeting the third world in the middle. Nothing like the fed, I want most government actions out of the way. Yeahs sure people who live on their knees produce cheaper, yipty do da. I dont want to meet them in the middle if we dont have to. We dont. Id rather pay more for goods and know more in my nation had work in production and the corresponding service industry jobs their production will support.
No matter how you try to justify it, you are advocating for market manipulation. Market manipulation is bad for everybody, except those in bed with whoever is doing the manipulation (government and well-connected crony capitalists).
LOL. "free markets" are pushed more then anyone by those at the top because they benefit most from such policy. Cony capitalist LOVE that folks like you fight for their cause to replace americans workers with those who work for next to nothing.
Treetop you'd make a good politician. A lot of people would buy your arguments. Lots of sunshine and rainbow results with no downsides. A lot like what Trump promises, but with more (selective) research so they sound more thought out. He should hire you as a campaign consultant.
Pffft you never heard a word I said if you heard all rainbows and sunshine and no downsides. That is how you sound to me actually. Markets are mgic and will heal all wounds as we meet the third world in the middle!! I acknowledged the dowwnsides over and over and over in many posts but the dangers of not being protectionist are worse. You are the one with selectionist research my friend, that much is astoundingly clear. You freaking linked an example of a total dictatorship embracing a bit of free enterprise not even true free trade as a n example of free trade working, but hey they were inspired by a libertarian you also linked about in regards to japan whose economic rise and also issues you also clearly didnt understand. Heck the examples you gave didnt even vaguely prove your points. You seem to be arguing what others said about stances similar to mine rather then what I have actually said. As intelligent as you are I find this very interesting indeed. It is like debating my smarter liberal friends whose ideals block them from actually hearing my stances. As I said repeatedly in this global market even if protectionist policy worked for us better then anyone else in history we still have a loooong way down once we cannot inflate our lifestyles again. I said this over and over. I may be wrong but I made it clear this is my interpretation. Hardly rainbows and sunshine. I did however say protectionism offers a proven way to support more local industry, and this is provable. I acknowledged prices are higher, but everywhere it was down even decently let alone ideally it is more then offset by a more robust economy overall.
I want there to be a major party within which the likes of Rand Paul, Justin Amash, and Thomas Massie can continue working for reform, can bring issues to light that need to be exposed, can be serious contenders in the presidential race. I want a major party that is actually economically conservative. If Trump wins, there is no chance of those types getting anywhere near the white house for more than a decade. Trump is a jumping the shark moment for the GOP. He is a short-term, self-destructive "solution" to a long-term problem. A lot of people are scared to death of Clinton and are desperate to vote against her. But Trump is not the answer. A third party won't win, but endorsing Trump is signing the death sentence of meaningful conservative politics for many years to come
Without a trump win those mindsets wont get anywhere close to the whitehouse for much longer then a decade as the influx of third worlders, most of whom are voting for bigger government as well as the millenials rise in prominence. Letting hillary win is the death sentence for the right. A lefty supreme court? You wont have gun rights to protect among many other issues lefty justices support. You will have millions legalized who will for decades to come shift us far to the left. Probably waiting for an armed revolt like some south american nation. We can handle a moderate righty, and still have hope for the right side of politics. We cant however handle the open borders mindset that already is watering down our wages and shifting us decidedly left faster then even before this shift. You are telling us youll vote for a guy who supports a trade deal that gives away national sovereignty, who wants open borders and amnesty, whos VP wants semis autos banned, who cant run a campaign in the black nor a state, who agrees with the most socialist senator we have in the US 73% of the time an thinks freaking wheat is evil. The politics you claim to support would be buried if johnson magically won, but would be off to the side the same way they already are with trump. You clearly see what you want to see while insisting I do. We still for now retain such rights as americans. LOL. The crony capitalists thank you from the bottom of their hearts.