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Amy Howe: In Plain English: The Affordable Care Act, including its individual mandate that virtually all Americans buy health insurance, is constitutional. There were not five votes to uphold it on the ground that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance. However, five Justices agreed that the penalty that someone must pay if he refuses to buy insurance is a kind of tax that Congress can impose using its taxing power. That is all that matters. Because the mandate survives, the Court did not need to decide what other parts of the statute were constitutional, except for a provision that required states to comply with new eligibility requirements for Medicaid or risk losing their funding. On that question, the Court held that the provision is constitutional as long as states would only lose new funds if they didn't comply with the new requirements, rather than all of their funding.

frugi wrote:
this is all BS!!! my problem is I dont want health insurance, because I dont see conventional doctors, i dont need insurance because every bit of healthcare I seek is NEVER covered by health insurance since it is non conventional. In addition, I am technically unemployed. I dont make much money if any profit or income at all. I lost my manufacturing job, I dont get assistance of any kind, no food stamps, no unemployment, no medicare, no medicaid, no disability, not a dam thing. How am I supposed to afford $695.00/ year, and increasing annually? WTF??? just to continue being an American..WTF?? I am speechless.

68Camaro wrote:Consider it a tax on breathing...

frugi wrote:so if i choose to not have health insurance (which I currently do not have health insurance)

in 2014...I will be fined 1% of my income or a flat fee of $95.00 whichever is greater
in 2015...I will be fined 2% of my income or a flat fee of $325.00 whichever is greater
in 2016...I will be fined 2.5% of my income or a flat fee of $695.00 whichever is greater

this is all BS!!! my problem is I dont want health insurance, because I dont see conventional doctors, i dont need insurance because every bit of healthcare I seek is NEVER covered by health insurance since it is non conventional. In addition, I am technically unemployed. I dont make much money if any profit or income at all. I lost my manufacturing job, I dont get assistance of any kind, no food stamps, no unemployment, no medicare, no medicaid, no disability, not a dam thing. How am I supposed to afford $695.00/ year, and increasing annually? WTF??? just to continue being an American..WTF?? I am speechless.

barrytrot wrote:If we are both still active on this forum in 2014

frugi wrote:

barrytrot wrote:If we are both still active on this forum in 2014

I will still be active on this forum in 2014. That is of course unless we are in a civil war, I am off the grid, or dead. However, I dont take charity. Thank you for your offer though. I will not pay. Even if I was a billionare.

NDFarmer wrote:There is an event on November 6th which could fix all this.

Rodebaugh wrote:Problem is, folks have and have had for a long time the "right to healthcare". ie...you can't be turned away durning an emergency.
I already pay for this right for others through my taxation. What has changed? Folks gonna have to pay a little for themselves now?
I have no problem with the ends but as most others....I don't care much for the means.

scrapper2010 wrote:Not sure but, isn't the fine for not having coverage not actually enforceable, especially for low income people.

shinnosuke wrote:

scrapper2010 wrote:Not sure but, isn't the fine for not having coverage not actually enforceable, especially for low income people.

Do you make (too much) money? Then get ready to get taxed twice. Once for your own healthcare and twice for someone who doesn't make much. Obama said that there will be tax credits for those who can't afford health care coverage. As Doc said, this form of socialism already existed to some degree, now there are teeth in a law to make you pay. And believe me, you will pay.

AGCoinHunter wrote:..... Just makes me wonder if Roberts is closing the loops for any further legislation that may use the all encompasing commerce clause as enforcement. Basically he has punted this back into the political arena. Disappointing yes, but the victory laps by obama may be premature. This is going to be the lightening rod for november. Healthcare is not a constitutional right.