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I am thinking of buying a shotgun or two. I am not unfamiliar with firearms but shotguns are something I have never dealt with and I am looking to get educated. I would like to buy a good combat weapon and also a good all around bird gun. (One that I could use to hunt any bird from quail to big honking Canadian geese). Looking for advice on make model etc. Although price is important it should not be a limiting factor below $1500. Also after the shotguns I looking to buy a compound bow. Again I know nothing about bows but looking for an education.

Dude, you could buy a saiga 12(like a 12 GA AK-47) and a Remington 870 for $1500. You might even have enough left over for a pile of shells.

You will need a shotgun with choke tubes...full choke for the big honking Canadians and improved or modified for quail. 12 gauge.

Ideally for quail, a upland bird gun is best....short barrel smooth stock needed for quick action, as quail are fast. The Remington 870 is a good choice. It has the "Urban" kits available for close combat plus the choke tubes and has been around for a very long time. There are others of course, I shoot a Browning BPS 20 gauge for quail and mourning doves and my goose gun is a full choked 3" magnum 12 gauge for shooting into the clouds. Try to stay away from the laminated stocks. They get heavy when walking the fields shooting migratory game birds.

Missed this post. Perhaps if it was in the guns and ammo thread I would have seen it. But....

If price isn't an issue, look into a Benelli or Browning. But, Thogey is correct. Saiga is the ultimate combat shotgun. The picture he posted has had a little work done to it, but you can get a "stock" Saiga 12 for well under $1000. Pretty like that will cost you around $1000. Worth it though.

Deal

Saiga 12, nice. Can't find any in stores around here dang it. How many rounds in that mag?

There are 20 and 25 round drums. Maybe bigger now. Several smaller magazine sizes available. We have at least one in the shop, maybe more.

Deal

I would go with a Mossberg 500 combo. It comes with a 28" vent rib for hunting and a 18.5" security barrel. It is a very reliable 12 gauge pump and has a synthetic stock. the barrel change is quick and easy too.


http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Defa ... &pid=&inv=

http://www.gundirectory.com/more.asp?gi ... un=Shotgun
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Since it looks like you want multiple weapons i thought Id throw out the mossberg 500 persuader. It has 8 shots. Ive got one of these. Im not shotgun expert but I did look around a bit before I got it, I doubt you can beat it for the price. Id love one of those saiga 12s, but they are out of my league. Mine came with a pistol grip, and I put it on my regular mossberg 500, its hard to shoot it that way though. I know a few people who had mossbergs for a very long time with no issues at all. Ive put 2-300 rounds through mine without a hiccup.

Here is my personal and favorite (stock photo, not my own):


Browning auto 5 in 12 gauge. made from 1902-1998, so it's been TESTED, lol.

Field strips easy:


Holds 5 rounds, in a tubular internal magazine so I do not have to worry about setting the weapon down to reload or removing my weak hand from the front fore grip during reload. Really don't even have to un-shoulder in order to "top off" my rounds. No mags to fumble and drop. I can shoot a few rounds and pull more from the belt, slide em in the bottom and keep going.

Locks open after last shell and has an bolt release button like the AR's. When empty just slide a few more rounds in the bottom, hit the button and go. Safety is in the trigger guard forward of trigger.

Mine has a poly choke on the end of the barrel so no tubes or extra barrels needed, I just twist to the right setting for the choke I need. Called the "field model".

I am 39 now, been pleased with it since grandpa gave it to me when I was 12. Just like my 1911 .45, it's hard to go wrong with a hundred year old design, that just keeps going.

Cant beat the Mossberg 500 for the price. What I bought. The Siaga is what I would have bought it price wasnt an option.

If I was looking for a home protection rifle I would go with a stainless Ruger Mini 14. It will chamber both the Rem. .223 and the NATO 5.56 round. In stainless with a synthetic stock it will be cheaper than any AR replica and will out perform them. The .223 and 5.56 NATO rounds are the cheapest to buy and easiest to find (you can find Rem .223 at WalMart for $6.97/ 20 rounds and can order bulk NATO 5.56 rounds online). There are plenty of aftermarket attachments as well. The Mini 14 is compact and is an easy weapon to use in close quarters as well as at a distance. Just my two coppers worth.

http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Defa ... code=93292

The ruger mini 14 gets a bad rap as being inaccurate. I have one, and absolutely love it. It fits me like a glove, and I can readily hit anything I aim at within 100 yards shot after shot. Ive played with many other rifles in the .223, and for me there is nothing Id rather have. Even my wife can go to town with this things reliably.

The post is on shotguns guys. They make a mine 14 in 12 guage? :lol

My fault for drifting off topic. Was just thinking of a Mossberg 500 combo barrel setup and a Mini 14 as home defense weapons. Wish I had the extra $$ to spend... got carried away.

I've got my eye on Walmart's version of the Remington 870 Express Tactical. Walmart cheap, Remington pump reliability. Not a huntin' gun, it's for home defense. Black synthetic, 18 1/2 inch, 7 shot tubular magazine. Sweet. Clack clack.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Remington-870 ... e/17654659

Update: Seems every WM within 200 miles of me is out of stock. ShouldaCouldaWoulda when it was in stock in town, but I was bucks low. If you can find one of these you might consider grabbing it. IIRC it was $379. Oh well, snooze you looze.

I say skip out on crap-mart and support your local gun shop. Maybe a few more dollars, but you keep your money local. Help out the small guy.... Plus a REAL dealer will order you one. That gun can't be that hard to get.

Deal

p.s. That is NOT a tactical shotgun at all.

Crap-mart puts the food on the table at the G residence. One less family of Zombies/Moochers you have to worry about. As a matter of fact WM is the number one employer of anti zombies in the USA.

Tactical is just the description in the WM on line ad.

And I sure as hell wasn't spammin for Wally. Saw this piece at our store, handled it, liked it, simply passed on the info.

Hell, buy it from Bud's in the gauge of your choice.


http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... s_id/95077
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... CYL+2RDEXT

And yeah, Bud's calls it a tactical too.

Its not a bird gun either....hmmmm must be an eco-shotgun.... no trees were felled for the stock or economically priced shotgun.

It sounds like the new Remmington Versa max would be a perfect fit for you. This gun handles 2.75 up to 3.5" with no problem intermixing. You can also buy a tube extender to increase the capacity. Plus it has a rust protection finish for easy cleaning.

I picked up a Mossberg 590 several years ago. It's an impressive looking weapon and I've enjoyed firing it. I was told that it was a military grade shotgun, holds 9 rounds and even has a bayonet lug on the end of it

I'm not into guns like I used to be years ago, but I can still appreciate some of them today!

Any gun that can kill someone with one shot is "tactical" so far as I am concerned, haha

Kurr wrote:Here is my personal and favorite (stock photo, not my own):


Browning auto 5 in 12 gauge. made from 1902-1998, so it's been TESTED, lol.

Field strips easy:


Holds 5 rounds, in a tubular internal magazine so I do not have to worry about setting the weapon down to reload or removing my weak hand from the front fore grip during reload. Really don't even have to un-shoulder in order to "top off" my rounds. No mags to fumble and drop. I can shoot a few rounds and pull more from the belt, slide em in the bottom and keep going.

Locks open after last shell and has an bolt release button like the AR's. When empty just slide a few more rounds in the bottom, hit the button and go. Safety is in the trigger guard forward of trigger.

Mine has a poly choke on the end of the barrel so no tubes or extra barrels needed, I just twist to the right setting for the choke I need. Called the "field model".

I am 39 now, been pleased with it since grandpa gave it to me when I was 12. Just like my 1911 .45, it's hard to go wrong with a hundred year old design, that just keeps going.

these are made in belgium correct? good guns.