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1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:12 pm
by Sterling Silver
Can anyone shed any light on this for me? It is magnetic so I don't know what to think. It weighs 3.1 grams.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:57 pm
by henrysmedford

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:18 pm
by Sterling Silver
Thanks for the link Henry, How many pretty pennies do you think its worth? :)

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:44 pm
by henrysmedford
I wrote Mike Diamond who is an error expert --

Good day- Could this be real 1973 penny that looks copper clad ??? and he said that it is magnetic . Could it be real.

Thanks Joe


And got back--
I presume you mean copper-clad steel. Anything's possible. But the only known copper-clad steel cents are from 1974.

Mike


And just wrote--
He added photos see ucp.php?i=pm&folder=inbox if this is real it would be the only one . What should he do next with it.

Thanks Joe henry


And I will post when I hear back.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:04 am
by henrysmedford
Can you see the vdb on Lincoln's shoulder. Also see -- http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Alternative_Materials_for_One_Cent_Coinage

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:58 am
by henrysmedford
henrysmedford wrote:I wrote Mike Diamond who is an error expert --

Good day- Could this be real 1973 penny that looks copper clad ??? and he said that it is magnetic . Could it be real.

Thanks Joe


And got back--
I presume you mean copper-clad steel. Anything's possible. But the only known copper-clad steel cents are from 1974.

Mike


And just wrote--
He added photos see http://www.realcent.org/ucp.php?i=pm&folder=inbox if this is real it would be the only one . What should he do next with it.

Thanks Joe henry


And I will post when I hear back.


And--
Its appearance is intriguing. If the magnetic attraction is weak, then its almost certainly a fake. If it slams into a magnet, then the coin should be submitted to a top-tier grading service for authentication.

M

FYI--
Senior Editor - Mike Diamond

Mike Diamond has been collecting, researching, and writing about error coins since 1997. He currently writes the thrice-monthly column "Collector's Clearinghouse" for the national coin weekly Coin World. He usually has at least one article in every issue of Errorscope, the bi-monthly magazine of CONECA, the Combined Organizations of Numismatic Error Collectors of America.

Mike served as President of CONECA for two full terms and was a board member for several cycles previous to his election as President. He is one of two error examiners for the club.

Mike has discovered, defined, or refined the understanding of countless error types of the years, including design ablation errors, stutter strikes, invisible strikes, ejection impact doubling, stiff collar errors, "greasy ghosts", atypical chain strikes, external chain strikes, rim-restricted design duplication, die subsidence errors, and surface film effects.

Mike was instrumental in developing MADdieclashes.com, a site dedicated to the world of unusual die clashes and also is a co-author on Traildies.com.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:00 am
by fasteddy
oooohhhhh aaaahhhhhh, looking forward to finding out what this little gem may be.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:26 am
by Sterling Silver
Henry, yes it slams into the magnet.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:13 am
by shinnosuke
Sterling Silver wrote:Henry, yes it slams into the magnet.


The plot thickens...

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:06 pm
by rsk1963
:o

nice find!

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:11 pm
by Sterling Silver
There is no VDB (that I can tell) using my loop. Do you think it is worth the time and money to have it graded?

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:24 pm
by henrysmedford
Sterling Silver wrote:There is no VDB (that I can tell) using my loop. Do you think it is worth the time and money to have it graded?

Yes if a 1983 copper cent is worth 15k http://www.numismaticnews.net/article/book-spurs-rare-cent-find and a 1974 aluminium cent is said to be worth 100-500K http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_aluminium_cent it would get it graded.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:35 pm
by henrysmedford
From--http://uspatterns.com/p2084.html
It is unclear whether any of these latter pieces still exist. The Secret Service has said that it will confiscate any of these pieces should they turn up in the market place.


And from-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_aluminium_cent

In late 1973, the price of copper on world markets rose to a point where the metallic value of the cent was almost equal to its face value.[1][2][3] The U.S. Mint, which produces billions of cents annually, was faced with a potentially catastrophic operating deficit, due to issues of seigniorage. As a result, the Mint tested alternate metals, including aluminium and bronze-clad steel.


and this--http://www.coppercoins.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5555&sid=5b17df055ab2431cb5c77fc9d29bb68c

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:44 pm
by fasteddy
I toss all my Cu sorted rejects in a coffee can....they are mostly 1973 through 1975 coin....I need to spread them out and run a magnet over them.....hmmmmm.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:48 pm
by eboyfudd
I recently found a 1974 quarter whose sound caught my attention while sorting. It has the normal copper-clad rim appearance, but it "rings" like silver when dropped on the table. Taking it somewhere for further analysis is on my To-Do list.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:44 pm
by Sterling Silver
They need a "Like" button here. I "like" every post. Thanks everyone.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:20 pm
by shinnosuke
So how did this story end?

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:31 pm
by Sterling Silver
Nothing to update, but I will post when there is.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:29 pm
by Sterling Silver
PCGS is sending it back today. They graded it "Questionable Authenticity." :|

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:41 pm
by shinnosuke
Sterling Silver wrote:PCGS is sending it back today. They graded it "Questionable Authenticity." :|


I hate it when that happens...

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:09 am
by scyther
shinnosuke wrote:
Sterling Silver wrote:PCGS is sending it back today. They graded it "Questionable Authenticity." :|


I hate it when that happens...

Do they ever grade it "fake", or is questionable the worst it gets? Is there a possibility it could be real?

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:28 pm
by Sterling Silver
Yes, there are designations lower than Questionable...Counterfeit is the bottom if memory serves. I may send it to ANACS or NGC, I've read they are more likely to take a stand on a coin. I am put off by PCGS- I paid these guys good money because they claim to be experts. Yet they cant tell me if a 1973 U.S. Penny is real or not??? The fact that it's authenticity was questionable was THE reason I sent it to them in the first place...

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:36 pm
by Numis Pam
Sterling Silver wrote:Yes, there are designations lower than Questionable...Counterfeit is the bottom if memory serves. I may send it to ANACS or NGC, I've read they are more likely to take a stand on a coin. I am put off by PCGS- I paid these guys good money because they claim to be experts. Yet they cant tell me if a 1973 U.S. Penny is real or not??? The fact that it's authenticity was questionable was THE reason I sent it to them in the first place...


+1 That would be very disappointing to me as well.

Re: 1973 penny that looks copper clad ???

PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:01 pm
by avidbrandy
Posting here so I remember to look at this later. This looks interesting.