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Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:57 pmby Rodebaugh
Pictures provided. You tell me if they are Authentic and give them a grade.....or tell me that they are not authenic and why.
COIN #1 - 1909-S VDB
COINS #2 and #3 - 1914-D
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:57 pmby Rodebaugh
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Coin #1 - 1909-S VDB ..............Altered Mint Mark Counterfeit
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:42 pmby RichardPenny43
I'm no expert but, I'll say authentic MS-60
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:07 pmby Rodebaugh
I have two more coins to add. (both 14-D's). They will come later tonight before OBAAT rolling sale.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:15 pmby NDFarmer
Do I win the coin if I'm right!!!
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:41 pmby ScottyTX
Humm, looks authentic without comparing pics.. I'll go with AU-58
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:54 pmby NDFarmer
I'm leaning towards real but I would like to get a closer look at the S. I would say it is between a MS-60 and a MS-63.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:00 pmby daviscfad
I will say authentic b/c the marks line up. I will grade at ms62rb
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:05 pmby doug
counterfiet. dots missing on the VDB. The S is too perfect with parallel ends.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:08 pmby Kurr
I'll too say au58.
As for authenticity, i'll be the first dissenter. FAKE FAKE FAKE, go ahead and send it to me for a dollar!
Reason: "The mintmark should have parallel serifs with a groove or notch in the right serif. There is also a die chip in the upper loop." - The complete Lincoln Cent Encyclopedia pg. 40
And the initialer forgot some periods!
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:20 pmby slickeast
Who cares, it is just a penny.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:43 pmby Rodebaugh
There are 4 die pairs for the 09-S VDB. This coin matches none of them. I submitted this coin to PCGS for a client before He or I did the proper research. Our Laziness cost him $37 in grading fees. The Coin is an old fake as it was inherited by the current owner. IMO, its a dandy of a fake and just one more reason why I would never purchase this coin online unless it was already certified. Another set of coins to follow shortly.
Info on counterfeit 1909-S VDB cents
http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-Vs ... coln-Cents
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:45 pmby CU Baker
slickeast wrote:Who cares, it is just a penny.
Now thats funny!
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:05 pmby RichardPenny43
Rodebaugh wrote:There are 4 die pairs for the 09-S VDB. This coin matches none of them. I submitted this coin to PCGS for a client before He or I did the proper research. Our Laziness cost him $37 in grading fees. The Coin is an old fake as it was inherited by the current owner. IMO, its a dandy of a fake and just one more reason why I would never purchase this coin online unless it was already certified. Another set of coins to follow shortly.
Info on counterfeit 1909-S VDB cents
http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-Vs ... coln-Cents
I checked out this site and still thought it was a #4.
I better stick with my day job.
Thanks for the lesson Doc.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:17 pmby Rodebaugh
Coins #2 and #3. One is Fake and one is Real. Which is Which and why? What's the PCGS grade on the authentic coin?
See first post for photos
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:29 pmby John Reich
Another diagnostic for the 09-S VDB counterfeit is that the middle line of the "B" in VDB is straight. on a genuine coin it's slanted down from right to left.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:43 pmby John Reich
14-D on the left looks like it's either cast, or struck with spark-erosion dies. Not sure about the one on the right--don't have any books to check that mintmark is right. I'd send that one in to PCGS!
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:46 pmby Rodebaugh
John Reich wrote:14-D on the left looks like it's either cast, or struck with spark-erosion dies. Not sure about the one on the right--don't have any books to check that mintmark is right. I'd send that one in to PCGS!
Both 14-D's have been to PCGS.
One is in gradded plastic and belongs to a forum member. The other belongs to the owner of the 1909-S vdb exhibited here.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:56 pmby slickeast
The left is real. Xf45
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:03 pmby Kurr
I'll say VF-30 for #1
It looks like they got a lil aggresive in carving off the cross piece of the 4 in #2
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:13 pmby RichardPenny43
The 14 d on the left is real, the center of the D looks like a triangle.
I'll guess VF-20.
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:08 pmby daviscfad
The line on the top of the s was the only thing i noticed off on the 09s
Re: Lets Have some Key Date Lincoln Fun
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:02 pmby Rodebaugh
The Right 1914-D is authentic holdered PCGS XF45.
The left coin is not authentic. mushy numerals