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Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kind?

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:47 am
by John_doe
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No one can tell me. I have taken it to shows, and the best explaination is tha someone hammered 2 pennies together. I have tryed to replicate it in this manner, but nothing close. It is extra copper with the obverse design struck into it. 1973d.

Any help? Value?

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:01 am
by Centsation
Wow that is pretty bizarre. I'm no expert, but my best guess would be that this happened after it left the mint. I've never seen an error coin look anything remotely close to this.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:05 am
by John_doe
Centsation wrote:Wow that is pretty bizarre. I'm no expert, but my best guess would be that this happened after it left the mint. I've never seen an error coin look anything remotely close to this.



I hope your wrong! ;)


It has extra copper with the memerial, and "on" from the one cent.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:06 am
by John_doe
Centsation wrote:Wow that is pretty bizarre. I'm no expert, but my best guess would be that this happened after it left the mint. I've never seen an error coin look anything remotely close to this.



I hope your wrong! ;)


It has extra copper with the memerial, and "on" from the one cent.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:00 am
by abe
Thats definately PMD. The xtra metal behind abes head is actually metal that has been moved. I can see the scrape marks and the lack of detail in abes head. It actually looks like it was glued to something and someone pryed it off and scraped it doing so. JMO.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:00 am
by henrysmedford
What about enter it in the PCGS giveaway at http://www.realcent.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5870.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:37 am
by TheJonasCollegeFund
Looks like an elephant!

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:44 am
by scrapper2010
My theory is that they took two pennies, blow torched one side until glowing hot then pressed them together in a vice.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:11 am
by Roadrunner
Pretty sure it's PPMD...Purposeful Post Mint Damage :D

Sorry man. :(

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:33 am
by NiBullionCu
What does the reverse look like?

Put my vote in the Post Mint Damage category, not a legitimate mint error.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:46 am
by lakehouse
Looks like someone altered it to resemble one of the star wars characters

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 10:56 am
by highroller4321
Definitely post mint damage.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:38 pm
by slickeast
PMA ...Post Mint Alteration

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:32 pm
by John_doe
Oh well. Still pretty cool for the collection.

:)

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:50 pm
by Mossy
It looks like it's been through a pretty hot fire. House or building, my guess. I've seen similar damage, long ago. Not coins, something else.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 3:18 pm
by bman
are you sure it's extra copper and not some kind of glue?
it looks like 2 cents were glued together and got seperated. Try soaking it in water for a few days and see if it will come off with your fingernail.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:06 pm
by John_doe
bman wrote:are you sure it's extra copper and not some kind of glue?
it looks like 2 cents were glued together and got seperated. Try soaking it in water for a few days and see if it will come off with your fingernail.



The design is actually struck into the head. Glue theory/ hammer theory both debunked.


It could have been melted and pressed maybe?

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:46 pm
by henrysmedford
I asked the President of CONECA http://conecaonline.org/ the national numismatic organization devoted to the education of error and variety coin collectors. What his thought on this cent. And--

Hi Joe.

This is what is commonly called a "glue job". Some glue was applied to the surface of this cent and another cent was pressed into it while the glue was still soft.

Mike Diamond

In a message dated 5/18/2011 9:25:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, writes:
My son Franklin who has autism is a member of CONECA. And we were wondering if you could put your two cents in on this one http://www.realcent.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5878 .

Thanks
Franklin's Dad
Joe

PS I did right him back and asked if he saw this part of the post The design is actually struck into the head. Glue theory/ hammer theory both debunked. I will post reply if any.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 9:57 pm
by rickygee
Hmmm. Various clues from numerous posters.

PMD. Indeed. Pissed My Drawers.

If you have ever read "Footfall" by Larry Niven you would recognize the image on the coin. Don't lose it! It is a 'challange coin' from the invading forces onboard the starship Thuxtunkflyshitty* (sp) that attack earth.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:15 am
by John_doe
henrysmedford wrote:I asked the President of CONECA http://conecaonline.org/ the national numismatic organization devoted to the education of error and variety coin collectors. What his thought on this cent. And--

Hi Joe.

This is what is commonly called a "glue job". Some glue was applied to the surface of this cent and another cent was pressed into it while the glue was still soft.

Mike Diamond

In a message dated 5/18/2011 9:25:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, writes:
My son Franklin who has autism is a member of CONECA. And we were wondering if you could put your two cents in on this one viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5878 .

Thanks
Franklin's Dad
Joe

PS I did right him back and asked if he saw this part of the post The design is actually struck into the head. Glue theory/ hammer theory both debunked. I will post reply if any.


hey thanks a ton! If it turns out to be real and makes me millions I owe you a few double eagles! :lol:

He is probably right though. :D

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:16 am
by John_doe
rickygee wrote:Hmmm. Various clues from numerous posters.

PMD. Indeed. Pissed My Drawers.

If you have ever read "Footfall" by Larry Niven you would recognize the image on the coin. Don't lose it! It is a 'challange coin' from the invading forces onboard the starship Thuxtunkflyshitty* (sp) that attack earth.

:lol: :lol:

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 12:32 am
by John_doe
You can see part of abe's head through the middle if you look close.

Glue isn't the answer I don't think.


Ps I have named it the abelephant.

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 7:08 am
by henrysmedford
I ask once more and got--
I'm quite sure about my diagnosis. I've seen many other examples.

Mike

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 9:28 am
by Market Harmony
I can't tell from the pictures... on the "ON" ... are the letters raised or impressed?

Re: Can you tell me what this is? Rarity/oddity/one of a kin

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 11:40 pm
by Spikeanator6982
well, if it was stamped at the mint with the reverse on the front, the "on" wouldn't be on that side of the building but the other side. It also looks as if the pillars of the memorial are reversed, the pillars indented instead of standing out. if that makes sense only why I see that happening at the mint is if two pennies were in the press at the same time, but how can u prove that happened at the mint and not somewhere else, say a garage with a press?