I suggest you read this article about barter and coinage

[rainsonme]

I suggest you read this article in its entirity. Most of it is about Liberty Dollars, which is probably of limited interest. However, it outlines where the minter ran afoul of the government, and some guidelines for using metal coins as barter. It also touches at the end on the potential use of US silver coins for this purpose. I have to think a little bit about how the government might try to turn the use of of silver/copper coins into violations if they were used other than at face value. But the main message here is to be very explicit in any barter agreement that it is a personal barter, not a monetary exchange.


http://www.silvermonthly.com/1459/the-strange-case-of-the-liberty-dollar/

http://www.silvermonthly.com/1459/the-s ... ty-dollar/

[bman]

if it ever gets to the point where I'm using silver and copper coins as barter items I doubt that the gubmint would be in any position to do anything about it.

[neilgin1]

Thank you Rain for that article.

i heard about the fellow before, and in my way thought his actions ill-advised.

why?

these guys, the Fed and that whole mob aint playing games. They're like cornered gamblers, and QE2 was a prime example.

The middle class, hard working folk is what made American great and they are being decimated, saving decimated, currency debased.

so we just have to be smart, pay off these fool credit cards, pay off debt, not trust paper fiat, and move to coinage as a store of wealth.

whether that coinage be copper pennies, real nickels, 90% dimes, quarters and halves and 999 Au ASE's.

i feel it so strongly that in the days ahead, that this will be the way we buy what we need to take care of our families, as well as reaquiring the knowledge to grow food.

maybe . sooner than we think, the value of these coins (and try not to laugh at me or think me nutz)

might be as thus (in 2010 terms)

a copper penny= $1

a real nickel= $5

90% quarter = $25

90% Halve = $50

ASE= $100-150

just a thought, neil

[theo]

Interesting. I agree except I think the nickel may be a little high. Here is a similar article I found at survivalblog.com in Feb 2010:

http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/02/let ... n_a_n.html



So, given that the USA Federal Reserve currency, the US dollar, is going down the tubes, something else will replace it. There will undoubtedly be attempts by various governments to reinstate some version of fiat money, but people are going to see through that, and will not accept it, since fiat money is, at it’s core, an undeclared, and essentially unlimited, tax on those who produce.

Ultimately, people will probably return to a means of exchange with more than 4,000 years of history; Gold and silver. Here in the USA, in the aftermath of the coming economic collapse, there will be barter, at least at first, but as economic activity revives, something more convenient will be badly needed. I am sure that there will be all sorts of private minting of gold, silver and even copper ultimately, but in the meantime, before private mints are established to meet the demand for real money, I expect, as many others have postulated, that pre-1965 US silver coinage will be a recognizable means of exchange.

There is a problem, however, with silver coinage. Just as gold coins have too much buying power, even in 1/10 troy ounce sizes, for many transactions, so even a US silver dime may have too much buying power for many da- to-day local transactions. Someone wishing to buy a needle, or a couple of fishhooks is not going to spend a whole 0.0715 ounces of silver (the amount in a pre-1965 silver dime) for a single needle. Smaller change will be needed, and needed badly. What to do?

At present (mid-February, 2010), based on the present commodity prices at Coinflation, a silver dime is worth $1.10 US based on spot prices for silver. A US nickel is worth about 5 cents, for the metal content. Clad dimes are about the same value as pre-1982 pennies (~2 cents), while clad quarters are slightly less valuable than nickels (~4 cents) and clad halves are worth about 8 cents in US currency. While most people have not put aside precious metals as such, (gold or silver coins) there will be a substantial quantity of clad coinage in circulation, and this could be used as smaller change for silver coins.

It is my intention, as economic activity is resumed, to exchange clad quarters and US nickels as 1/20 of a silver dime, essentially ½ of a ‘silver penny’ in exchange, and clad dimes and pre-1982 pennies as half of that value, or ¼ of a ‘silver penny’.

For example, let’s suppose that I have #6 fish-hooks for sale, at the rate of four hooks for a silver dime. Mr. Jones wants to buy just two hooks, but has no silver, all he has are clad coinage. I’d sell him the two hooks for 5 clad halves, 10 nickels or clad quarters, or twenty pre-1982 pennies or clad dimes.

Another example- Mr. Smith wants to buy a pound of 8d cement coated nails. I’m offering to sell ‘old’ factory made nails (not my new handmade ones) at one silver dime per pound (maybe a screaming bargain for him!) Again, he has no silver coins, but has a bunch of nickels; I’d sell the nails for twenty nickels. Local commerce and trade would be facilitated by such an arrangement.

Until private minting fills the money gap, this would appear to be a workable solution for small local transactions, which is where most of the trade would be, at least to start with. - Larry W.