neilgin1 wrote:Tree, not everyone lives in the cities...or even the high density sub urban or ex urband areas.
thems my heart bleeds for...i dont how this thing plays itself out in those area's.
thats why i bolted. i was given a blessing by God, and for that i praise His Name. Been slowly reading thru Jeremiah, its a nail after nail after nail in my heart, i understand NOW that dear man's burden, heartache, but if you pick up in Chapters 30 thru 33, thats called "The Book of Consolation". THAT'S where the Heart of God is.
forgive me for bringing Matters of the Faith in this discussion, i dont mean to sound "religious", coz i aint. maybe i can "see' things, and it might be a blessing, but it can be a curse, coz i'm a little man, possessed of little power, unable to right the wrongs, i can only pray, but sometimes God says, "don't even pray for that, or this, because I have ordained what is to follow"....THATS where one's heart is torn in two. i hope i'm not being too obtuse, or seeming to sow fear.
there will be value to base metal coins, to silver and gold, but they are meaningless in the end. if we place our faith in these things, they become mere idols....a broken and contrite spirit, thats what He seeks, thats the pleasing sacrifice, an aroma ascending to the Heavens. When the time comes, we show Mercy, Love and Charity, we become Sons of the Light, amen. MANY who have said, "Lord, Lord"....He will say, "I dont even know you"....THAT is the fear of God, THAT is the beginning of wisdom, to pray that you NEVER hear those words, "I never knew you".....every else falls into place, once you get to that reverential Awe, of how little and small we are, and tuck yourself under the Wings....
much love to you Tree, neil
this is in response to me? I wasnt talking about cities at all actually. you dont seem to have addressed any of the very real issues I raised. not saying this for division, just that you simply didnt.
I was talking about raising chickens and that people rely on store bought feeds. Its not easy to raise more then a small amount of chickens on scraps and freeranging them. Raising your own food for chickens beyond that is a good amount of work. there will NOT be the abundance of eggs you mentioned in a past post. Only so many chickens can be free ranged safely. Lots of wild animals will get them otherwise, and even then many have issues with that. Yes people could raise foods for them just like we do today, above freeranging and scraps (the ways homesteaders do it for a handful of chickens) but this would be a LOT of labor, and most wouldnt know how to balance a quality feed. Then process the foods into a feed they can readily eat.... this is true aanywhere in the country. I sure as heck wasnt talking cities, in your example cities are in lockdown.
The same things is true for other animals. though some animals would be easier to go back to other things. Like cattle eat grass, still lots of other free range cattle out there. However these cattle needs supplemental nutrition in the form of minerals that they would now have to grow rather then buy.... most simply would not know how to do it, altering the quality of their cattle over time.... so they will take a hit also...
As far as farmland, organic or syn fert, they rely on OUTSIDE inputs. even down to seeds. That is all most know... so even skilled organic farmers under the current paradigm, most of them would be hard pressed to produce without those outside inputs. Im on many many gardening forums, trying to convince gardeners and farmers to do exactly this, and most laugh at me. they could secure a wider profit margin, and be more self reliant, and most simply dont think its commercially viable and most of them couldnt do it, beyond simple stuff like adding manure or composts. which works of course, to a degree, there are MANY other factors that they would now have to rely to on farm inputs... water being a big one, and most simply do not know how to do this. trust me when i say I know what Im talking about on this topic above all others....
I could break it down to each and every input if you like. It will be a tough transition for the best of our current farmers, and most of them simply do not have the knowledge to do it without inputs, with any level of assurance of a good crop compared to todays paradigm.....
Barely need any heat except for a few of the colder nights. What I need for that citrus is a "cord" of air conditioning! 
