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Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:11 am
by Jonflyfish
My charts are calling for a somewhat minor correction before inevitable higher prices.
Thus, a hedge was initiated for 70% of the physical position @ 20.45 with a stop @ 20.56 to lift this tight hedge.

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:30 am
by oober
The only thing I am hedging right now are my miners, I opened a position in FAZ last week and added some more today.

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:38 am
by Jonflyfish
Bumped the physical hedge to 90% @ 20.47 with the same very tight stop.

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:04 am
by Jonflyfish
Fully hedged now at $20.57

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:21 am
by beauanderos
Jonflyfish wrote:Fully hedged now at $20.57
How does this work with physical? So if the price drops below $20.57 you're in cash a hundred percent? Or you just make some money to offset your loss? If you are stopped out, and then the price runs up while you're parked in cash you have to wait sidelined all this while? I'm unclear on this. :?

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:57 pm
by Jonflyfish
beauanderos wrote:
Jonflyfish wrote:Fully hedged now at $20.57
How does this work with physical? So if the price drops below $20.57 you're in cash a hundred percent? Or you just make some money to offset your loss? If you are stopped out, and then the price runs up while you're parked in cash you have to wait sidelined all this while? I'm unclear on this. :?


Beauanderos- I just take a financial short position equal to the physical quantity. So, for each ounce I retain in physical possession, an ounce is then sold short on the financial side.
Today I ended up trading it around during the volatility and left a full hedge. Worst case, I lose on the financial side while the physical side offsets the loss with an gain in value. Best case- what the financial hedge makes gets poured back out of the account to accumulate more physical. There are more complex strategies but will use just this simple physical/financial hedge strategy here.

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:09 pm
by beauanderos
Jonflyfish wrote:
beauanderos wrote:
Jonflyfish wrote:Fully hedged now at $20.57
How does this work with physical? So if the price drops below $20.57 you're in cash a hundred percent? Or you just make some money to offset your loss? If you are stopped out, and then the price runs up while you're parked in cash you have to wait sidelined all this while? I'm unclear on this. :?


Beauanderos- I just take a financial short position equal to the physical quantity. So, for each ounce I retain in physical possession, an ounce is then sold short on the financial side.
Today I ended up trading it around during the volatility and left a full hedge. Worst case, I lose on the financial side while the physical side offsets the loss with an gain in value. Best case- what the financial hedge makes gets poured back out of the account to accumulate more physical. There are more complex strategies but will use just this simple physical/financial hedge strategy here.
What? Whattttt????? JPMorgan is a member of realcent??? :o

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:18 pm
by Jonflyfish
Shhhh....Trying to retain a Low profile here ;)
And unlike others "on the desk", I only "hedge" a fully qualified physical quantity in possession. As for the "non-hedged" trades.... :shock: :lol:
Tonight, we...err I "massaged" silver to new fully hedged price of $20.59

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:06 am
by Jonflyfish
Had to work this thing around all morning.
New hedge value of 20.77

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:23 am
by Beau
when do we see the $9. one guy predicted is that in the next correction?

Re: Physical Silver Hedge

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:11 pm
by Jonflyfish
Beau wrote:when do we see the $9. one guy predicted is that in the next correction?

Who's that?
My forecast has been to see $22 on the recent break.