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by **Rodebaugh** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:57 pm

Pictures provided. You tell me if they are Authentic and give them a grade.....or tell me that they are not authenic and why.

COIN #1 - 1909-S VDB

COINS #2 and #3 - 1914-D

by **Rodebaugh** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:57 pm

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Coin #1 - 1909-S VDB ..............Altered Mint Mark Counterfeit

by **RichardPenny43** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:42 pm

I'm no expert but, I'll say authentic MS-60 :?:

by **Rodebaugh** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:07 pm

I have two more coins to add. (both 14-D's). They will come later tonight before OBAAT rolling sale.

by **NDFarmer** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:15 pm

Do I win the coin if I'm right!!! :thumbup:

by **ScottyTX** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:41 pm

Humm, looks authentic without comparing pics.. I'll go with AU-58

by **NDFarmer** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:54 pm

I'm leaning towards real but I would like to get a closer look at the S. I would say it is between a MS-60 and a MS-63.

by **daviscfad** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:00 pm

I will say authentic b/c the marks line up. I will grade at ms62rb

by **doug** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:05 pm

counterfiet. dots missing on the VDB. The S is too perfect with parallel ends.

by **Kurr** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:08 pm

I'll too say au58.

As for authenticity, i'll be the first dissenter. FAKE FAKE FAKE, go ahead and send it to me for a dollar!

Reason: "The mintmark should have parallel serifs with a groove or notch in the right serif. There is also a die chip in the upper loop." - The complete Lincoln Cent Encyclopedia pg. 40

And the initialer forgot some periods!

by **slickeast** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:20 pm

Who cares, it is just a penny.

by **Rodebaugh** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:43 pm

There are 4 die pairs for the 09-S VDB. This coin matches none of them. I submitted this coin to PCGS for a client before He or I did the proper research. Our Laziness cost him $37 in grading fees. The Coin is an old fake as it was inherited by the current owner. IMO, its a dandy of a fake and just one more reason why I would never purchase this coin online unless it was already certified. Another set of coins to follow shortly.

Info on counterfeit 1909-S VDB cents http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-Vs ... coln-Cents

by **CU Baker** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:45 pm

slickeast wrote:Who cares, it is just a penny.

Now thats funny! :lol:

by **RichardPenny43** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:05 pm

Rodebaugh wrote:There are 4 die pairs for the 09-S VDB. This coin matches none of them. I submitted this coin to PCGS for a client before He or I did the proper research. Our Laziness cost him $37 in grading fees. The Coin is an old fake as it was inherited by the current owner. IMO, its a dandy of a fake and just one more reason why I would never purchase this coin online unless it was already certified. Another set of coins to follow shortly.

Info on counterfeit 1909-S VDB cents http://www.pcgs.com/News/Counterfeit-Vs ... coln-Cents

I checked out this site and still thought it was a #4. :oops:

I better stick with my day job.
Thanks for the lesson Doc.

by **Rodebaugh** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:17 pm

Coins #2 and #3. One is Fake and one is Real. Which is Which and why? What's the PCGS grade on the authentic coin?

See first post for photos

by **John Reich** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:29 pm

Another diagnostic for the 09-S VDB counterfeit is that the middle line of the "B" in VDB is straight. on a genuine coin it's slanted down from right to left.

by **John Reich** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:43 pm

14-D on the left looks like it's either cast, or struck with spark-erosion dies. Not sure about the one on the right--don't have any books to check that mintmark is right. I'd send that one in to PCGS!

by **Rodebaugh** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:46 pm

John Reich wrote:14-D on the left looks like it's either cast, or struck with spark-erosion dies. Not sure about the one on the right--don't have any books to check that mintmark is right. I'd send that one in to PCGS!

Both 14-D's have been to PCGS.

One is in gradded plastic and belongs to a forum member. The other belongs to the owner of the 1909-S vdb exhibited here.

by **slickeast** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:56 pm

The left is real. Xf45

by **Kurr** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:03 pm

I'll say VF-30 for #1

It looks like they got a lil aggresive in carving off the cross piece of the 4 in #2

by **RichardPenny43** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:13 pm

The 14 d on the left is real, the center of the D looks like a triangle.
I'll guess VF-20.

by **daviscfad** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:08 pm

The line on the top of the s was the only thing i noticed off on the 09s

by **Rodebaugh** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:02 pm

The Right 1914-D is authentic holdered PCGS XF45.

The left coin is not authentic. mushy numerals

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