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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby 68Camaro » Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:00 pm

Lemon Thrower wrote:Congrats to us, $3600.


There used to be an implicit agreement on RC that quoted prices were based on kitco spot, which is global spot. Spot remained below $3540 today. Sure, there are futures positions for every month, and those are currently over 3600, but those buying or selling physical don't pay much attention to those futures numbers. If you want to say that futures are over 3600, that's fine, but then you have the added need to include the month it applies to, if it is to make any sense.
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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby shinnosuke » Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:04 pm

Future expectations. Have you considered the effect of higher gold prices on production?

I asked Grok about average annual quantity mined. It replied:

2,500–3,000 metric tons

Salient points: Global gold mine production has been relatively stable, with annual output typically ranging between 2,500 and 3,000 metric tons in recent years, showing no significant year-over-year increase due to depleting reserves and rising extraction costs.

Production peaked at 3,656 tons in 2018, with 2023 at 3,644 tons, indicating a slight decline or stagnation despite high gold prices.

New discoveries are becoming rarer, and existing mines are aging, which may limit future increases without significant technological advancements or new large-scale deposits.
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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby shinnosuke » Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:10 pm

Followed up with Grok:

Me: Wasn't there a significant gold ore discovery in El Salvador recently?

Grok: Yes, in late 2024, El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele announced that the country potentially holds gold reserves valued at $3 trillion, claiming it could have the densest gold deposits per square kilometer globally, located in the Pacific Ring of Fire. He cited a study (not publicly released) suggesting that just 4% of the identified gold-rich area contains 50 million ounces, worth about $131.5 billion, or 380% of El Salvador’s GDP. However, these claims are debated. Dr. Steven Emerman, a hydrogeology expert, argues that the $3 trillion estimate is inconsistent with global gold reserve data, as it would represent 60% of the world’s total reserves, despite El Salvador’s small size and limited historical gold production.This announcement coincided with El Salvador’s Congress voting on December 23, 2024, to lift a 2017 ban on metallic mining, which had been enacted to protect water resources from pollution. The new law allows mining outside nature reserves and sensitive watersheds, banning toxic mercury but requiring private companies to partner with the government. Environmentalists and the Catholic Church oppose this, citing risks of cyanide contamination and ecosystem damage, especially to the Lempa River, critical for San Salvador’s water supply. Bukele argues that “modern, sustainable” mining could fund environmental cleanup and economic growth, but critics like Archbishop José Luis Escobar Alas argue there’s no such thing as “green mining,” pointing to health risks like kidney and respiratory issues.Regarding your original question about gold mining output: El Salvador’s potential reserves could significantly impact global production if mined, but the current lack of large-scale operations means it hasn’t yet affected the 2,500–3,000 metric tons of annual global output. The feasibility of extraction depends on unproven technologies like thiosulfate or bioleaching, as cyanide remains the most effective but environmentally risky method.

Me: Are there any other recent relatively large discoveries that would be less fraught with issues?

Grok: Recent large gold discoveries that are less fraught with environmental, geopolitical, or technical issues are limited, as most major finds face challenges like regulatory hurdles, ecological concerns, or complex extraction processes. However, a few discoveries stand out as potentially less problematic based on available data, though each still has some caveats. Below are notable examples from 2022–2025, with an emphasis on those in stable jurisdictions or with favorable mining conditions:María Geralda, Suriname (2025) Details: Founders Metals reported a high-grade gold discovery with a 22.5-meter intercept grading 11.88 g/t at María Geralda in Suriname. This deposit shows potential for both bulk minable zones and high-grade underground targets, with a 60 km drill budget planned for 2025 to confirm its scale.

Why Less Fraught?: Suriname has a relatively stable mining environment compared to other regions, with established operations like Rosebel and Merian contributing to 60% of the country’s GDP. The government is refining guidelines to balance growth with biodiversity and Indigenous land rights, suggesting a structured regulatory framework. High-grade ore (11.88 g/t) means less waste rock and potentially lower environmental impact compared to low-grade deposits requiring extensive processing.
Caveats: The deposit’s full extent is unconfirmed, and Suriname’s history of informal placer mining raises concerns about enforcing sustainable practices. Commodity price cycles could also affect economic viability.

Bankan Project, Guinea (2022) Details: Predictive Discovery upgraded its inferred resource estimate for the Bankan Project in Guinea’s Siguiri Basin to 4.2 million ounces at 1.63 g/t, making it West Africa’s largest maiden resource discovery since 2012. The project includes NE Bankan (72.3 million tons at 1.65 g/t) and Bankan Creek (7.2 million tons at 1.43 g/t).

Why Less Fraught?: Guinea has an established gold mining sector, and the project’s scale suggests economic viability without the extreme environmental risks associated with, for example, cyanide-heavy processing in sensitive watersheds (like El Salvador’s Lempa River). The deposit’s grade is moderate, reducing the need for massive waste rock displacement.
Caveats: Guinea’s political stability is less certain than Suriname’s, with occasional governance issues that could complicate permitting. Artisanal mining in the region also poses social and environmental challenges.

Tichka-Est Gold Project, Morocco (2022) Details: Stellar AfricaGold discovered a gold-mineralized structure (Zone C) at Tichka-Est, 80 km southeast of Marrakech, adding 1,000 strike meters to previously identified zones, with grades between 3.58 g/t and 5.81 g/t.

Why Less Fraught?: Morocco is a stable jurisdiction with a mining-friendly government and established infrastructure. The project’s location in a mountain pass, away from major urban water sources, reduces the risk of contamination controversies seen in places like El Salvador. Moderate grades suggest manageable extraction without extreme environmental disruption.
Caveats: The deposit is still in early exploration, and its total resource size remains uncertain. Remote locations may require infrastructure investment, potentially raising costs.

Comparison to El Salvador’s Discovery:
El Salvador’s claimed $3 trillion gold reserve, potentially containing 50 million ounces, is massive but fraught with issues: environmental risks to the Lempa River, skepticism about the reserve’s scale (60% of global reserves in a small area seems implausible), and reliance on unproven “sustainable” mining technologies like thiosulfate. Additionally, El Salvador’s recent reversal of its mining ban and geopolitical tensions add complexity. In contrast, the Suriname, Guinea, and Morocco discoveries benefit from more stable or mining-friendly jurisdictions, smaller scales that reduce environmental scrutiny, and grades that suggest efficient extraction. However, none match El Salvador’s potential size, which, if verified, would dwarf even China’s recent 1,000-metric-ton discovery in Hunan (valued at $83 billion).

Why Large Discoveries Are Generally Fraught:
Large gold deposits often face issues because: Environmental Impact: High-grade deposits (like China’s 138 g/t) require less ore processing, but large-scale mining still generates waste rock and tailings, risking water contamination.

Geopolitical Risks: Many deposits are in regions with unstable governments (e.g., Guinea) or contentious policies (e.g., El Salvador’s mining ban reversal).
Economic Viability: Declining discovery rates (only five major finds since 2020, adding 17 million ounces) and smaller average sizes (3.5 million ounces vs. 5.5 million in 2010–2019) mean new projects face high costs and long development timelines.

Peak Gold Concerns: With 244,000 metric tons of gold discovered globally and an estimated 57,000 metric tons in reserves, new finds like Suriname’s or Guinea’s are critical but insufficient to significantly boost the 2,500–3,000 metric tons mined annually.

Conclusion: The María Geralda discovery in Suriname appears the least fraught due to its high-grade ore, stable jurisdiction, and potential for lower environmental impact. Morocco’s Tichka-Est is also promising for its political stability and moderate scale. Guinea’s Bankan Project is significant but carries more geopolitical risk. None of these discoveries are expected to dramatically shift global gold production in the near term, as they are still in exploration or early development, unlike El Salvador’s, which faces substantial environmental and verification hurdles. If you’d like me to dig deeper into any specific discovery or analyze related data, let me know!
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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby Lemon Thrower » Wed Sep 03, 2025 6:10 am

68Camaro wrote:
Lemon Thrower wrote:Congrats to us, $3600.


There used to be an implicit agreement on RC that quoted prices were based on kitco spot, which is global spot. Spot remained below $3540 today. Sure, there are futures positions for every month, and those are currently over 3600, but those buying or selling physical don't pay much attention to those futures numbers. If you want to say that futures are over 3600, that's fine, but then you have the added need to include the month it applies to, if it is to make any sense.


My bad. I googled gold price and it autofilled gold price today and showed me $3,606
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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby Lemon Thrower » Wed Sep 03, 2025 6:16 am

shinnosuke wrote:Followed up with Grok:

Me: Wasn't there a significant gold ore discovery in El Salvador recently?


With a stable gold price, the above-ground stock of gold inflates 1%-3% depending on who you ask.

When gold's price rises quickly, gold in the ground becomes more valuable. About 10-15 years ago, I used to invest in mining stocks. Back then, it was economical to dig rocks out of the ground that had as little as 1 gram of gold per ton. That's like 1/31 of a 1 ounce gold round in a bulldozer scoop of rock. Gold prices have more than doubled since then, rising faster than inflation, so even more minute expressions of gold will be mined in the future.

P.S. - this is not conjecture. There are strict rules about how publicly traded mining companies are required to disclose their reserves as either proven or probable. The quantity of gold they are allowed to disclose is a function not just of what is in the ground but the gold price and the cost to extract. If the gold price rises, more gold can be mined economically, increasing the supply.
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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby 68Camaro » Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:03 am

Lemon Thrower wrote:
68Camaro wrote:
Lemon Thrower wrote:Congrats to us, $3600.


There used to be an implicit agreement on RC that quoted prices were based on kitco spot, which is global spot. Spot remained below $3540 today. Sure, there are futures positions for every month, and those are currently over 3600, but those buying or selling physical don't pay much attention to those futures numbers. If you want to say that futures are over 3600, that's fine, but then you have the added need to include the month it applies to, if it is to make any sense.


My bad. I googled gold price and it autofilled gold price today and showed me $3,606


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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby thecrazyone » Wed Sep 03, 2025 4:43 pm

Looks like it got to $3577 today. Such mixed feelings.
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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby thecrazyone » Fri Sep 05, 2025 12:03 pm

I saw $3598 today
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Re: Gold spot over $3500

Postby 68Camaro » Fri Sep 05, 2025 12:08 pm

Yep, it's close...
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Re: Gold spot over $3600

Postby 68Camaro » Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:42 am

Gold spot over $3600
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Re: Gold spot over $3600

Postby thecrazyone » Wed Sep 10, 2025 9:31 am

On its way to 3700, prob thx to new Russia issues
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby 68Camaro » Tue Sep 16, 2025 9:33 am

Gold spot finally got over $3700 a few minutes ago, then retreated. As the trajectory remains bullish, I expect it to continue into the $3700s (and beyond).
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby shinnosuke » Tue Sep 16, 2025 9:57 am

Anyone here buying? Anyone strategerizing a good price at which to sell?

I’m not selling silver or gold. Sell for what, fiat?
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby pmbug » Tue Sep 16, 2025 10:23 am

If GSR falls to under 40, I might trade some silver for gold.
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby shinnosuke » Tue Sep 16, 2025 11:47 am

Just trying to see what the thinking is around here.
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby 68Camaro » Tue Sep 16, 2025 1:38 pm

pmbug wrote:If GSR falls to under 40, I might trade some silver for gold.


Not sure what the GSR point will be for me, but ditto the action. Any action by me to trade would probably not start until silver hits 55ish and a GSR of <60, and would probably occur over a range.
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby Lemon Thrower » Tue Sep 16, 2025 6:01 pm

shinnosuke wrote:Anyone here buying? Anyone strategerizing a good price at which to sell?

I’m not selling silver or gold. Sell for what, fiat?


I'm selling and redploying into Bitcoin and TSLA.
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby shinnosuke » Tue Sep 16, 2025 7:56 pm

Lemon Thrower wrote:
shinnosuke wrote:Anyone here buying? Anyone strategerizing a good price at which to sell?

I’m not selling silver or gold. Sell for what, fiat?


I'm selling and redeploying into Bitcoin and TSLA.


That's certainly a good option, but I haven't gone there yet.
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby shinnosuke » Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:27 pm

Was the Fed cut of 25 bps less than what most were expecting?
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby Lemon Thrower » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:51 pm

shinnosuke wrote:Was the Fed cut of 25 bps less than what most were expecting?


No, its what everyone was expecting so they sold the news.
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Re: Gold spot over $3700

Postby Lemon Thrower » Wed Sep 17, 2025 4:54 pm

shinnosuke wrote:
Lemon Thrower wrote:
shinnosuke wrote:Anyone here buying? Anyone strategerizing a good price at which to sell?

I’m not selling silver or gold. Sell for what, fiat?


I'm selling and redeploying into Bitcoin and TSLA.


That's certainly a good option, but I haven't gone there yet.


Im planning to retire soon to travel the world perpetually a la W.G. Hill for 5-10 years. Want to unload everything. I've moved 3 times in the last 10 years and moving bullion and firearms and lead is a lot of work, not to mention my book collection.
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