shinnosuke wrote:Thanks, Ted Butler (and neil). Just one question, if you don't mind, about those higher silver prices. When?
shinnosuke wrote:68, humor me. I figure I've got one last chance to get this right. Perhaps not even that because I don't expect the people in power to just roll over and give us peons a chance to back up the truck and take a large share of the wealth.
68Camaro wrote:shinnosuke wrote:68, humor me. I figure I've got one last chance to get this right. Perhaps not even that because I don't expect the people in power to just roll over and give us peons a chance to back up the truck and take a large share of the wealth.
I hear you. I'm not trying to yank your chain (too much), and sorry if it came across that way. But it really is impossible to properly time these things. So, in the end, I can't advise you - no one can. You have to do what works for you. The best overall advice IMHO is to dollar cost average when buying physical. And don't beat yourself up when you buy at what APPEARS to be a local high. The presumption is that it will eventually go higher, no matter (within reason, and that includes now) the price you paid.
I have NO idea if silver is going to drop below $30 again. It might well do so. It might go to $15. I truly have no idea. The charts suggest that it might, but then again the fundamentals may trump the charts. I'm personally betting on fundamentals over charts in the long term. In the short term, when is best to buy? I don't know, but you know that I bought a LOT a few weeks ago. It seemed right. And if it subsequently goes to $25 or $20 I have to NOT beat myself up too much. What I have - I bought some at $8, and some at $17 and I some in the $20s, and some in the $30s, and yes I did also buy a fair amount in the $40s. So buying again at $30 and change seemed too good to pass up. So I did. And I'm still buying, though back to bottom-feeding.
68Camaro wrote:And back on-topic, the huge thing that may be surfacing out of the MFG debacle is not MFG itself, as bad as that is, but that rumors are circulating that MFG's practices weren't any, or much, different than those practiced by other firms now. If so, the resulting crisis of confidence in the futures market, and in brokers of all types, would be HUGE, and cause/create a ripple that could take the whole market down. I think that is what Neil and others have been getting at, but something else I heard today made that come together for me. (Sometimes I'm a bit slow. )
68Camaro wrote:shinnosuke wrote:68, humor me. I figure I've got one last chance to get this right. Perhaps not even that because I don't expect the people in power to just roll over and give us peons a chance to back up the truck and take a large share of the wealth.
I hear you. I'm not trying to yank your chain (too much), and sorry if it came across that way. But it really is impossible to properly time these things. So, in the end, I can't advise you - no one can. You have to do what works for you. The best overall advice IMHO is to dollar cost average when buying physical. And don't beat yourself up when you buy at what APPEARS to be a local high. The presumption is that it will eventually go higher, no matter (within reason, and that includes now) the price you paid.
I have NO idea if silver is going to drop below $30 again. It might well do so. It might go to $15. I truly have no idea. The charts suggest that it might, but then again the fundamentals may trump the charts. I'm personally betting on fundamentals over charts in the long term. In the short term, when is best to buy? I don't know, but you know that I bought a LOT a few weeks ago. It seemed right. And if it subsequently goes to $25 or $20 I have to NOT beat myself up too much. What I have - I bought some at $8, and some at $17 and I some in the $20s, and some in the $30s, and yes I did also buy a fair amount in the $40s. So buying again at $30 and change seemed too good to pass up. So I did. And I'm still buying, though back to bottom-feeding.
68Camaro wrote:Well, after all the above, I did just get an email warning heads-up from one of the commentors I follow that I need to digest later tonight, and it ties in enough with a few other random bits I've heard previously that it is giving me pause. More later, but this guy says there is going to be a major purposeful PM market take-down by the 22nd. And of course there is the issue of CME raising margins again during this same period. No idea if it is even remotely related to what JFF has noted in his "imminent" thread - that usually pertains to technicals, whereas this rumor is of a specific cause/effect for a purpose. More later - I've got things going on for a couple more hours, so it'll be later in the evening before I get back to this. I don't like to operate off of rumors, but this may be a rumor with backing.
shinnosuke wrote:Ah, OK.
I thought it was something bad like Chelsea Clinton was going to become an investigative reporter for NBC, or some other nightmarish fantasy that could never happen in a million years in this brave, fair land of ours.
68Camaro wrote:Well, after all the above, I did just get an email warning heads-up from one of the commentors I follow that I need to digest later tonight, and it ties in enough with a few other random bits I've heard previously that it is giving me pause. More later, but this guy says there is going to be a major purposeful PM market take-down by the 22nd. And of course there is the issue of CME raising margins again during this same period. No idea if it is even remotely related to what JFF has noted in his "imminent" thread - that usually pertains to technicals, whereas this rumor is of a specific cause/effect for a purpose. More later - I've got things going on for a couple more hours, so it'll be later in the evening before I get back to this. I don't like to operate off of rumors, but this may be a rumor with backing."Truth is so obscure in these times, and falsehood so established, that, unless we love the truth, we cannot know it." Blaise Pascal, 1660.
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And back on-topic, the huge thing that may be surfacing out of the MFG debacle is not MFG itself, as bad as that is, but that rumors are circulating that MFG's practices weren't any, or much, different than those practiced by other firms now. If so, the resulting crisis of confidence in the futures market, and in brokers of all types, would be HUGE, and cause/create a ripple that could take the whole market down. I think that is what Neil and others have been getting at, but something else I heard today made that come together for me. (Sometimes I'm a bit slow. )
hearing from reliable sources the BANKING CRIMINALS are going to take gold to 1575 and silver to 28 level for expiration on 22nd...just another attack amongst many...and the new COT says it all...
68Camaro wrote:68Camaro wrote:Well, after all the above, I did just get an email warning heads-up from one of the commentors I follow that I need to digest later tonight, and it ties in enough with a few other random bits I've heard previously that it is giving me pause. More later, but this guy says there is going to be a major purposeful PM market take-down by the 22nd. And of course there is the issue of CME raising margins again during this same period. No idea if it is even remotely related to what JFF has noted in his "imminent" thread - that usually pertains to technicals, whereas this rumor is of a specific cause/effect for a purpose. More later - I've got things going on for a couple more hours, so it'll be later in the evening before I get back to this. I don't like to operate off of rumors, but this may be a rumor with backing."Truth is so obscure in these times, and falsehood so established, that, unless we love the truth, we cannot know it." Blaise Pascal, 1660.
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And back on-topic, the huge thing that may be surfacing out of the MFG debacle is not MFG itself, as bad as that is, but that rumors are circulating that MFG's practices weren't any, or much, different than those practiced by other firms now. If so, the resulting crisis of confidence in the futures market, and in brokers of all types, would be HUGE, and cause/create a ripple that could take the whole market down. I think that is what Neil and others have been getting at, but something else I heard today made that come together for me. (Sometimes I'm a bit slow. )
Well, I'm completely shot and undecided. I have two completely opposite signs - a technical analysis from a respected gold guy that says that we not only hit the local bottom but that all the technical signs are pointing to us being at the start of the next big push, to $2000+ in gold, and says silver is also in a solid position. On the other hand, I get this from "Rantin' Andy Hoffman" -hearing from reliable sources the BANKING CRIMINALS are going to take gold to 1575 and silver to 28 level for expiration on 22nd...just another attack amongst many...and the new COT says it all...
I had heard a similar thing a couple weeks ago from another source (would have to look for it) who (rather than call it Banking Criminals) said that some unknown powers were planning to damage JPMC by slamming JPMC on the wrong side of a major play. They will encourage the price run-up, and when JPMC shorts big, they will let it run down, doing what they can to cause JPMC to force it down, then at an appropriate point they will buy and demand delivery of physical.
Of course both could be true. Could be a big dip, followed by the rest of a run-up.
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