Error by NGC on 1970-S Small Date!!??

[Silver_Stampede]

So over the past few weeks I got interested in the 1960-P and 1970-S small date lincoln memorials. I have looked at so many pictures and coins that I can finally say that I can tell the difference between the small and large dates. So what got me all crazy was looking at this coin on ebay. It is a 1970-S Small date graded by NGC, but when I look at the close up pictures I can SWEAR it is a large date! Look how low the 7 is, and look at the curve on the 9 (it is pointing toward the S, not to horizontal)! Am I missing something here or did NGC really make a mistake!? Anyone else here interested in the small dates?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NGC-1970-S-SMAL ... 3cbebd1de3

Many of you already know about it but here is a great resource for small and large date lincoln memorials:
http://www.lincolncentresource.com/smal ... ldate.html

[Rodebaugh]

you are correct that is a "Large Date" all day long. Check out how far to the left the minktmark appears below the 7.

Nice catch

[TXSTARFIRE]

Taken from the E-Bay description "These are hard to tell the difference between a Small and Large Date raw. Buying one Graded you know you have the right one."
Thats really funny!

tt

[daviscfad]

I am no expert but am going to have to disagree with you and say it is a small date. The picture is blurry when you zoom giving to the affect that its not pointing at the 7. I actually see that it is. The best way to tell this is a small date is the 0. The small date one has a smaller inside than the LD. So i would Say without a doubt that NGC got this one right. Remember always check all the diagnostics when checking

[Silver_Stampede]

i might just apply for a grading job over there at NGC and clean things up around there... haha jk

[Silver_Stampede]

daviscfad, check out the pictures lower down the page, they are much clearer and can be supersized. Still think its a large date?

[daviscfad]

The only pictures i looked at were on the bottom of the thread and i am convinced its a small. I am no expert but the signs are there. Want be my last or first time i am wrong though

[Rodebaugh]

eBay Coin


examples of each


I am still on the "large date" boat. That darn seven is HUGE Edit to add: I don't even know any more. Spence is right about the Zero.

[Rodebaugh]

My exact thoughts:
Mintmark location favors Large
9 favors Large
7 Screams Large
0 screams Small
NGC labels Small (and they put a loupe on it, but do make mistakes every blue moon or so)

So without holding it in my hand or without great quality high res photos.....it's a guessing game.

[Silver_Stampede]

wow after looking at those close up pics again I am not sure now. The 7 screams large date to me because it is so low and so big, but the zero definitely looks like a small date, and the loop in the 9 is looking more and more like a small date as well. It is as if this coin is a hybrid of the SD and LD. I am going to assume NGC has a hierarchy of importance when assigning small date vs large date, ie maybe the 0 is more important to them than the placement of the 7!? I own a small date and looking at it under magnification the 7 is definitely smaller and on equal level with the 0, that is the main thing that tripped me up about this coin. Haha the 1970-S SD is really a pain in the ass...

[daviscfad]

I posted this on another forum. Hopefully chuck will see it and comment. lincolncentresource is his page

[daviscfad]

Chuck said with the image provided which was the same as the one doc posted it was for sure a large date so I guess it is.

[Silver_Stampede]

wow, a $75 coin turned into a $1 coin in a matter of seconds. NGC should offer some type of restitution to the buyer should they ever figure out the mistake...unless there are some TPG finatics out there that would pay a premium for an error slab!!!??? haha

[daviscfad]

from what i understand they will buy it back at market value. Maybe you should send them an email

[Silver_Stampede]

the coin isn't mine, i just stumbled upon it when i was searching ebay for 1970-S small cents

[daviscfad]

i know you can look it up on ngc and maybe you could show them a link to it.