This Presidential debate is a Disaster!

[John_doe]

I'm listening to it on the radio. Not TV.

We are screwed!. They are the same guy arguing details.

Why vote? They are not debating principle. It's an accounting debate.

We're f-ed. It's over. I might just vote for Obama or vote with my eyes closed. I want to throw up!

Both of them speak of market regulation like it is a good thing. For someone who has an "appreciation" for the Chicago school of economics Romney sure seems to run from it's ideals. Friedman would be sick.

[68Camaro]

In summary.

They both suck. One sucks less. Much less.

Voting for "sucking less" is not "acceptance of sucking less".

[barrytrot]

Voting for "sucking less" is not "acceptance of sucking less".

It's like picking the kid second to last in gym class

He's not very good but he's better than the other kid

[68Camaro]

Hey, I resemble that remark!

(Second to last for a long time, until I beefed up in mid teens)

[hobo finds]

Big Birds response... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMaknor5CzQ

[Country]

Vote Libertarian! That is what I'm going to do.

And if Johnson had a chance, or was at least featured in the debates, then I would still consider him a possibility. But he's not a possibility. While he would be the better candidate on most issues, no amount of "protest" voting "on principle" will change the tide. As bad as Romney is, Obama is clearly head-and-shoulders above him worse.

Vote for the least bad likely candidate now, in order to buy time, and then use that time to work to change people's minds on the local scale.

Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is not what got us to this point. Society does not want a good candidate - they don't even know what one would look like. The increasing dependence on government, and sense of entitlement, continually brings about two evil choices. Picking the less evil one buys time, and gives good a chance to flourish.

If everyone finally voted for the best candidate instead of the worst of two choices, maybe then we will have more than the same old look-alike Republican and Democrats. Let's face it, both candidates are hand selected by the powerful of this country. Maybe even, the winner has been pre-selected too! I'm going to vote for the candidate that I preceive is the BEST candidate, not the best of two evils.

[68Camaro]

Well, for all of you that will not vote for either of the two main (electable, in this election certainly) parties, if your vote (or lack thereof) gets you the next Hitler, at least you can know - as you walk to the concentration camp - that you stood on principle...

[brian0918]

If everyone finally voted for the best candidate instead of the worst of two choices, maybe then we will have more than the same old look-alike Republican and Democrats.

But this hypothetical is not capable of occurring. It's nothing more than wishful thinking. The culture is only changed through longterm debate and hard work, not a simple vote. And voting for someone who cannot be elected only makes it more likely that the worst candidate will get elected, reducing the amount of time we have to effectively change the culture.

[Engineer]

This would have made the debate MUCH more enjoyable:

[John_doe]

This would have made the debate MUCH more enjoyable:

agree.

what ever happened to that show?

[mbailey1234]

Found this comment on another site. Pretty sad but I couldn't agree more!!

Time for a new model - capitalism and democracy don't mix as politicians only get elected promising to deliver. In order to deliver they have to borrow to fund their promises be it entitlements, healthcare, defense, building schools and other infrastructure etc.

Just to add to the mix, student debt has now buried the next generation.

Good luck finding a solution as you won't find it in the Constitution or Congress or the Supreme Court or talked about in these Presidential debates.

[Rosco]

Get off my Back

There was no debate on constitutional principle.

My son is on the hook for all the medicare knee replacements?

Apparently, furture generations (my son) are responsible for providing elder care for the next 30 years.

I want to spit on the next 70 year old driving a new corvette, sporting 2 brand new knees. He has no idea what those knees cost.

Go ahead and pump those slot machines while sucking on taxpayer paid for O2 with your medicare paid for lung transplant. Light up another Marlboro and pound another glass of Bombay gin...We'll pay for it.

It's our responsobility? WTF!

I'm 75 an spending money enjoying life an Stacking a little also, And support 2 local conservative people running for office in Oregon.
In fairly good health as is the 81 year old Wife we travel things break an we go to savings to fix them. We worked for years with Idea that Social Security would be part of our retirement because Deductions were made every two weeks Plus we saved but are spending now before we have to support the Illegals an welfare Moms.
I don't need a Corvette to feel good, Did have a cruiser car for while but needed money for RV so made My own choice. We have three Sons working an standing on their Own. 8 Grandchildren an 3 Great grands Some problems there but working out.

Our Home is paid for but Tax an Utilities an Insurance cost much more the any home payment we ever made an thats wrong.
We are small time cheep stackers with some Preps, but fear that we will be forced to give to unprepared by the liberal Demos if they stay in Office.
Not my first choice nor second, That is why many old farts are out driving a new Corvette

[Engineer]

This sort of exchange is exactly what the people in power want to see. They want the citizens divided rather than united.

Out of control health care spending isn't the fault of the recipients, but rather that of the system, and as a former part of that system I know this as a fact. Medicare grossly overpays for some things, and grossly underpays for others, which entices every health care provider to choose the profitable item rather than the one which costs them money. Insurance companies base their fee schedules off of the Medicare schedules, which means that the public sector is following the lead of the private sector.

Simply stated, our medical system has grown from 10% to 20% of our GDP in order to help prop up our failing currency. The Fed NEEDS inflation to keep the bubble from popping, and they're using healthcare to accomplish the task.

The real answer is to fix our currency, but a decent stopgap measure would be for the government to cut the healthcare system down to size by cutting paperwork requirements and re-establishing reimbursement codes which pay a fair amount rather than the golden goose or bankruptcy options currently available.

Get off my Back

There was no debate on constitutional principle.

My son is on the hook for all the medicare knee replacements?

Apparently, furture generations (my son) are responsible for providing elder care for the next 30 years.

I want to spit on the next 70 year old driving a new corvette, sporting 2 brand new knees. He has no idea what those knees cost.

Go ahead and pump those slot machines while sucking on taxpayer paid for O2 with your medicare paid for lung transplant. Light up another Marlboro and pound another glass of Bombay gin...We'll pay for it.

It's our responsobility? WTF!

I'm 75 an spending money enjoying life an Stacking a little also, And support 2 local conservative people running for office in Oregon.
In fairly good health as is the 81 year old Wife we travel things break an we go to savings to fix them. We worked for years with Idea that Social Security would be part of our retirement because Deductions were made every two weeks Plus we saved but are spending now before we have to support the Illegals an welfare Moms.
I don't need a Corvette to feel good, Did have a cruiser car for while but needed money for RV so made My own choice. We have three Sons working an standing on their Own. 8 Grandchildren an 3 Great grands Some problems there but working out.

Our Home is paid for but Tax an Utilities an Insurance cost much more the any home payment we ever made an thats wrong.
We are small time cheep stackers with some Preps, but fear that we will be forced to give to unprepared by the liberal Demos if they stay in Office.
Not my first choice nor second, That is why many old farts are out driving a new Corvette

[IdahoCopper]

Then there is the Soloman Solution. CUT THE BABY IN HALF. When every issue divides the polls 50/50 it is time to split the USA into two countries. One for the socialist-democrats and one for the facsist-republicans. Then every issue can be voted upon by a majority of like-minded citizens.

In just 25 years, history will show which political philsophy works better.

[barrytrot]

Then there is the Soloman Solution. CUT THE BABY IN HALF. When every issue divides the polls 50/50 it is time to split the USA into two countries. One for the socialist-democrats and one for the facsist-republicans. Then every issue can be voted upon by a majority of like-minded citizens.

In just 25 years, history will show which political philsophy works better.

I would propose cut in "50" instead.

Give people REAL choice that way.

[NHsorter]

Then there is the Soloman Solution. CUT THE BABY IN HALF. When every issue divides the polls 50/50 it is time to split the USA into two countries. One for the socialist-democrats and one for the facsist-republicans. Then every issue can be voted upon by a majority of like-minded citizens.

In just 25 years, history will show which political philsophy works better.

I would propose cut in "50" instead.

Give people REAL choice that way.

Now there is a Constitutional concept!

[Treetop]

Sad to say I agree with all the points thogey made.

I really upset my grandma pointing out she can only afford her bi-annual tours of the planet because me and my kids are covering thousands of medical expenses for her per year. somehow she decided I had fallen for republican brainwashing. In reality its simple math. Her generation only paid in a fraction of what the average among them will get out. Even including the fact a percentage never live long enough to collect a thing. I tried to show her the actual math, it didnt matter. Apparently robbing her grandkids is perfectly acceptable, to the degree she will run out of the room if you try to show her the numbers. She will tell me Im filled with hate if I calmly show her this isnt sustainable.

this caused a huge rift in my family actually. the vast bulk of them are on the left. Somehow during bush they all agreed with me spending was a MAJOR issue. but now?? its right wing propaganda because obama has black skin.

I dont think this is the end of our country or anything, but within lets say 2-10 years I expect a re organization that makes the civil war years look like a ump in the road. I expect us to be much more in line with mexico. Perhaps with some ingenuity we will be as good off as brazil.

Luckily I have a strong back, and my wife is highly educated. Perhaps if we are lucky we can leave our kids enough they wont be simple field hands or something similar. If its still even legal to leave my kids anything by that point.

[68Camaro]

It's hard to argue with, so I'm not surprised they would just walk away - they have no facts to stand on. The current system isn't sustainable, that's a given. I say that even though I should be preparing to rely on it, soon. (I"m not.)

I'm not planning to retire soon - retirement actually isn't really even a proper notion to me (you should be either working, whether for yourself or another, or partially or wholly (and truly) disabled). It's one thing to have increased financial security and to be able to take more time off to do some things. But it's altogether another to do nothing at all. I do plan to take a retirement planning class, this Wednesday in fact, so I can find out what the latest advice, laws, and options are. Should be an eye-opener.

[hobo finds]

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=765419

Nickelodeon TV says Romney skipped kids' questions

[BamaJoe]

As I've said before our choice is akin to giving a woman the choice to be raped and have her ear bitten off or JUST being raped.

Sad to say, I've reached the point that I believe we (as a country) are past the point of recovery. Too many leaches and the rest of us can no longer produce blood fast enough to make up for what they are taking.

I'm looking forward to the day that I'm sitting in my hut on the beach, have a beer in my hand, and watching the cute little island girls play in the water. Getting closer to that every day.

[barrytrot]

I'm looking forward to the day that I'm sitting in my hut on the beach, have a beer in my hand, and watching the cute little island girls play in the water. Getting closer to that every day.

So you are going to be living comfortably on the beach and you are complaining

I know that's because you will be leaving, but still if you can at least leave then all hope is not yet lost.

All hope is lost when you can't even escape the sinking boat.

[John_doe]

As I've said before our choice is akin to giving a woman the choice to be raped and have her ear bitten off or JUST being raped.

Sad to say, I've reached the point that I believe we (as a country) are past the point of recovery. Too many leaches and the rest of us can no longer produce blood fast enough to make up for what they are taking.

I'm looking forward to the day that I'm sitting in my hut on the beach, have a beer in my hand, and watching the cute little island girls play in the water. Getting closer to that every day.

could not agree more. who cares who they put up there. as long as they back up their own words, then I could care less.


as for the beach sitting, i still have a few more years of listening to ignorant people.

[Rodebaugh]

VP time. Who's watching?

[NHsorter]

Mr. Smiley!

[brian0918]

Is it just me or is Biden shooting himself in the foot?