This One Caught my Eye!!!!!

[TheJonasCollegeFund]

WHAT IS IT??????

[henrysmedford]

It 2 AM and after an hour it is time to tell Mr. Google good night. I am at a loss.

[Engineer]

Maria Christina, perhaps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Christina_of_Austria

[TheJonasCollegeFund]

Maybe a coin weigt.

[henrysmedford]

Look at this http://www.goldsovereigns.co.uk/1902sovereign.html

[TheJonasCollegeFund]

Still no luck on researching this. There has to be something....somewhere!!!

[uthminsta]

Starting with what I know. It may be obvious to all, but it hasn't been said yet.
1. The first image is exactly that of the Great Britain crowns of that era. Also used on gold coins like the sovereign.
2. The second image is of Queen Victoria, and matches that of the crowns for the end of her reign. But the lettering is WAY different than what would be on any British coin.
3. She died in January 1901, but tradition with British coins was to finish out the year without changing the monarch. So 1901 would be her last year on coins.

Questions:
What size is it? Same as a crown?
Looks like copper/bronze - is it?
Is it on a shoe?
Can I have it?

My first guess is it's a crown-like token, with lettering purposely changed so it will not be confused with a crown or considered a counterfeit. I have several sovereign-looking tokens that have the right basic designs, but major differences in the lettering...

[uthminsta]

Bonus info: the first image is of St. George and the dragon.
https://www.google.com/search?q=saint+g ... the+dragon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_George_and_the_Dragon

Saint George lived over 1700 years ago. Quoted from his Wikipedia page: "The standard iconographic interpretation of the image icon is that the dragon represents both Satan (Rev. 12) and the Roman Empire."
also
"In the fully developed Western version, a dragon or crocodile makes its nest at the spring that provides water for the city of "Silene." Consequently, the citizens have to dislodge the dragon from its nest for a time, to collect water. To do so, each day they offer the dragon at first a sheep, and if no sheep can be found, then a maiden must go instead of the sheep. The victim is chosen by drawing lots. One day, this happens to be the princess. The monarch begs for her life to be spared, but to no avail. She is offered to the dragon, but there appears Saint George on his travels. He faces the dragon, protects himself with the sign of the Cross, slays the dragon, and rescues the princess. The citizens abandon their ancestral paganism and convert to Christianity."

But that doesn't help us figure out what you have there... it's just a cool story bro.

[jmaii]

"Narciso" is Spanish for daffodil and is also a male first name; Gonzalez is a common Spanish surname and the name of a couple of locations; Villagarcia is a less common Spanish surname and is a 19th century location in Spain (there was a battle there in 1812).

Perhaps some sort of victory or peace medal? Don't know enough about UK and Spanish relations in the time period.

[68Camaro]

I dunno, but here's a picture postcard taken in 1903 by Narciso Gonzalez in Villagarcia.

http://flickriver.com/photos/jordipostales/8224431403/

[Thogey]

How is the coin aligned?

[TheJonasCollegeFund]

Size of a 1/2 sovereign or a quarter. Appears to be bronze but I am wishing for old tarnished dirty gold. The alignment is the same as our coins.

Yes...guy's name, Spanish town. Was place of battle against Great Britain.

Has a reeded edge.

[68Camaro]

Maria Christina, perhaps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Christina_of_Austria

I didn't know this but she was regent of Spain at the time of this date:

Maria Christina continued as regent until Alfonso XIII attained his majority in 1902; she is the "Her Majesty the Queen Regent of Spain" named as concluding in the Treaty of Paris (1898) with the United States of America, ending the Spanish-American War.

[uthminsta]

Here's the actual sovereign image with Victoria.

[TheJonasCollegeFund]

Clearly a fake. Part of the horses back and also the back of St.Georges neck is missing. And, the queen's necklace just jumps out at you.

[TheJonasCollegeFund]

The "9" is different.

[Thogey]

Dude you might have a home run here.

I must be a coin, not a medal.

Where did you find it?

Did Great Britain own any Spanish speaking areas at that time?

[uthminsta]

Let's lay them side by side, howzabout. The differences are a little easier to spot this way.

Also, do you think this guy might be part of the story? He was the founder of a newspaper. Lived 1859-1903.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narciso_Gener_Gonzales

[henrysmedford]

My LCS http://roguevalleycoinandjewelry.com/about.html Said it looks like it was plated at one time.

And a token expert http://www.linkvillecoins.com emailed me this back---

Greetings Joe,
Your token is most likely from Spain or Portugal made to look like british soverign. Most likely a souvenir or personal calling card.
Best regards,
Bob Busby

[TXBullion]

My LCS http://roguevalleycoinandjewelry.com/about.html Said it looks like it was plated at one time.

And a token expert http://www.linkvillecoins.com emailed me this back---

Greetings Joe,
Your token is most likely from Spain or Portugal made to look like british soverign. Most likely a souvenir or personal calling card.
Best regards,
Bob Busby

Interesting , wonder what the value is

[uthminsta]

Interesting , wonder what the value is

I can answer that in three words.
Kitchen.
Sink.
Auction.

[TheJonasCollegeFund]

Interesting , wonder what the value is

I can answer that in three words.
Kitchen.
Sink.
Auction.

What's that??????