If we shrank US debt by a $1 per a second

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If we shrank US debt by a $1 per a second

Postby JerrySpringer » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:01 pm

If the fed could reverse engines and start chipping away the national debt by a dollar a second, it would still take over 31,000 years to take it down a trillion dollars. So, if they could reverse engines and cut the debt by a $1000 per a second, it would take 31 years to chip away a trillion dollars. This is if we could cut spending and still service debt interest at the same time. What are the chances that enough payments or cuts will get done to even make principal payments go down? I mean, if Washington has some plan to contain the debt, what does it look like? Are they hoping that the economy can grow enough to produce tax revenue to pay off things? The longer the debt accrues, the more and more it looks like we are never going to pay down the debt and one day something has to give, either a black swan or painful tax levying.
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Re: If we shrank US debt by a $1 per a second

Postby 68Camaro » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:58 am

The sovereign is king so they make and interpret the rules, so no confidence they won't find a way to steal the money and/or do the ever popular "strategic default"... so the corollary to this is to protect yourself don't keep any funds in any government bonds. (That's presuming you are willing to keep any money in any market - a separate topic.)
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Re: If we shrank US debt by a $1 per a second

Postby Kurr » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:38 am

Every dollar, and credit in circulatioon was borrowed at interest from the fed.

To wipe out the "national debt" you would also have to "wipe out" the money supply and still have interest to deal with.

Mathematically impossible to pay it off.
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Re: If we shrank US debt by a $1 per a second

Postby JerrySpringer » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:55 pm

Kurr wrote:Every dollar, and credit in circulatioon was borrowed at interest from the fed.

To wipe out the "national debt" you would also have to "wipe out" the money supply and still have interest to deal with.

Mathematically impossible to pay it off.



It just gets rolled over. The analogy of turning a Queen Mary around in a short span of space comes to mind. Like I said, even if they freeze the principal cost and chip away at it by taxes and cuts at a clip of a $1000 per a second, it still takes over 30 years to pay off a trillion dollars. By my calculations, they would have to lay off a half-million government workers to shore up the cuts in the worst case for that. Or make program cuts vis a vis. Not going to happen like that I bet. If anything, I see them going after more and more revenue sources.
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Re: If we shrank US debt by a $1 per a second

Postby JerrySpringer » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:02 pm

68Camaro wrote:The sovereign is king so they make and interpret the rules, so no confidence they won't find a way to steal the money and/or do the ever popular "strategic default"... so the corollary to this is to protect yourself don't keep any funds in any government bonds. (That's presuming you are willing to keep any money in any market - a separate topic.)


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