Silver - $27 going to Zero! Call your boss..beg for job back

This forum is for discussing hunting and collecting US and Canadian circulation Silver Bullion Coins, other types of minted bullion, and other types of precious and base metal investments other than Bullion Pennies and Nickels.

Please Note: These articles are to inform your thinking, not lead it. Only you can decide the best place for your money, and any decision you make will put your money at risk. Information or data included here may have already been overtaken by events – and must be verified elsewhere – should you choose to act on it.

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby Cu Penny Hoarder » Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:40 am

NDFarmer wrote:I would love to buy some silver. I have been buying from Provident Metals and have had good luck with them in the past. They are sold out of everything except for a few generic silver rounds priced at $22.00 per ounce.


Gee... only $10 above spot - lol

Too late.
Time is precious, stop wasting it.
Cu Penny Hoarder
Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 2418
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:44 pm

Re: Silver doesn't know what to do? $16 n' Change

Postby pennypicker » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:26 am

Cu Penny Hoarder wrote:
Wait and buy it at $10.

Some financial experts talking "depression" now.

Hoard all the cash you can for when the time is right. We're nowhere near a bottom or buy point yet.

Now they're talking "depression"-- well I guess we're finally going to see if silver is truly a "safe haven" metal or not--thus far it looks like NOT!
"If I had to pick one player to take the last shot to win the game I would pick Michael Jordan...if I had to pick one player to take the last shot to save my life I would pick Larry Bird"--PAT RILEY, L.A. Lakers Head Coach

"I'd rather play against Michael Jordan than Larry Bird...Jordan made you look bad but Bird made you look stupid!"--JAMES WORTHLY, Laker Hall-of-Famer
User avatar
pennypicker
1000+ Penny Miser Member
 
Posts: 1274
Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:34 pm
Location: Victorville, CA 92395

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby 68Camaro » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:43 am

If you look at the last market shock event the spot price was driven down over a period of months but the market price with premiums remained strong, and within 2 years it started to skyrocket.

Institutions are flying to the dollar because credit lines are being pulled on so the exchange rate is going up.
In the game of Woke, the goal posts can be moved at any moment, the penalties will apply retroactively and claims of fairness will always lose out to the perpetual right to claim offense.... Bret Stephens
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. George Orwell.
We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. Ayn Rand.
User avatar
68Camaro
Too Busy Posting to Hoard Anything Else
 
Posts: 8414
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:12 am
Location: Disney World

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby shinnosuke » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:02 pm

There used to be someone here, I think he lived in Georgia, who said that silver would never go below $20 again after that 2011 run up to $49. Turned out he was wrong. Well, I was thinking I would never see $12 silver again and now Kitco is showing $11.82. Yikes! Never say never.
“Google is what happens when we pool information energy on a software network. Everyone understands this. Bitcoin is what happens when we pool monetary energy on a software network. Few understand this.”
Michael J. Saylor
User avatar
shinnosuke
Super Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 3908
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:10 pm
Location: Texas

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby 68Camaro » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:15 pm

shinnosuke wrote:There used to be someone here, I think he lived in Georgia, who said that silver would never go below $20 again after that 2011 run up to $49. Turned out he was wrong. Well, I was thinking I would never see $12 silver again and now Kitco is showing $11.82. Yikes! Never say never.


That was Barry T. I think he said it would never go below $25, actually. To be honest I drank a little bit of that kool-aide at the time, but I recovered. :)

I don't believe the paper futures market represents real price discovery, but it's existence and abuse by the large players actually creates opportunities for physical stackers, for a time. It does require extreme patience - you have to be in it for the long haul.
In the game of Woke, the goal posts can be moved at any moment, the penalties will apply retroactively and claims of fairness will always lose out to the perpetual right to claim offense.... Bret Stephens
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. George Orwell.
We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. Ayn Rand.
User avatar
68Camaro
Too Busy Posting to Hoard Anything Else
 
Posts: 8414
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:12 am
Location: Disney World

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby Cu Penny Hoarder » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:02 pm

Just checked Apmex...

Premiums on 90% silver coin now...

$10.00 above spot!

:shock: :o :shock: :o :shock: :o
Time is precious, stop wasting it.
Cu Penny Hoarder
Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 2418
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:44 pm

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby 68Camaro » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:06 pm

When does capitalism become crisis gouging - even in the silver market? That said, I think this defines price discovery. That becomes the real price of silver, not the futures market.
In the game of Woke, the goal posts can be moved at any moment, the penalties will apply retroactively and claims of fairness will always lose out to the perpetual right to claim offense.... Bret Stephens
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. George Orwell.
We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. Ayn Rand.
User avatar
68Camaro
Too Busy Posting to Hoard Anything Else
 
Posts: 8414
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:12 am
Location: Disney World

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby CLINT-THE-GREAT » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:41 pm

now $11.84 at 1:30pm CST. Also oil is $20.64.......
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet."
- Abraham Lincoln

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it."
- Henry Ford

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
- Thomas A. Edison

"Put your money somewhere it won't just dissolve
-Barrytrot
User avatar
CLINT-THE-GREAT
Penny Hoarding Member
 
Posts: 613
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:08 am
Location: Central Illinois

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby shinnosuke » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:00 pm

CLINT-THE-GREAT wrote:now $11.84 at 1:30pm CST. Also oil is $20.64.......


Hey, hey, hey! It sure is great to see that great avatar of CLINT-THE-GREAT. Very nostalgic.

Oil prices are down. And here I was thinking that Saudi Arabia was our ally in the Middle East. I mean, Obama bowed to their King and Trump went and did the fancy sword dance with them.
“Google is what happens when we pool information energy on a software network. Everyone understands this. Bitcoin is what happens when we pool monetary energy on a software network. Few understand this.”
Michael J. Saylor
User avatar
shinnosuke
Super Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 3908
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:10 pm
Location: Texas

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby natsb88 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:25 pm

68Camaro wrote:I do think Boeing is essentially a too big to fail company - a national resource as a major defense supplier and our only remaining major large airplane builder

That didn't take long. Boeing looking for a $60 billion bailout. BA down to $101.

User avatar
natsb88
Too Busy Posting to Hoard Anything Else
 
Posts: 8411
Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: The Copper Cave

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby 68Camaro » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:38 pm

Boeing is close to being on the ropes. This couldn't have come at a worse time for them after the max debacle and their several other engineering development screw ups. The stock hit $89 today before recovering slightly higher (last I looked it was 98). They have pulled everything out of their lines of credit and their market cap has dropped by something on the order of 180 billion in a month. I worked most of my career for one of their major competitors for some of their products but I always wished them well and wanted them to succeed, especially in the commercial airliner business because we're all riding on them and they are the only US supplier left. If they are permanently damaged as a result of this, even if they continue at some level, it will hurt the country badly in the long term.
In the game of Woke, the goal posts can be moved at any moment, the penalties will apply retroactively and claims of fairness will always lose out to the perpetual right to claim offense.... Bret Stephens
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. George Orwell.
We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. Ayn Rand.
User avatar
68Camaro
Too Busy Posting to Hoard Anything Else
 
Posts: 8414
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:12 am
Location: Disney World

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby bankmining » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:43 pm

68Camaro wrote:Boeing is close to being on the ropes. This couldn't have come at a worse time for them after the max debacle and their several other engineering development screw ups. The stock hit $89 today before recovering slightly higher (last I looked it was 98). They have pulled everything out of their lines of credit and their market cap has dropped by something on the order of 180 billion in a month. I worked most of my career for one of their major competitors for some of their products but I always wished them well and wanted them to succeed, especially in the commercial airliner business because we're all riding on them and they are the only US supplier left. If they are permanently damaged as a result of this, even if they continue at some level, it will hurt the country badly in the long term.


You can always see if it gets to the 2009 Ford price level of 2 bucks
User avatar
bankmining
Penny Hoarding Member
 
Posts: 662
Joined: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:00 am
Location: The Other Washington

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby 68Camaro » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:51 pm

Relative to market cap, it's almost there. The Boeing price that is sort of equivalent to Ford's $2 level is about $15 (and I'm not sure they could execute their product lines at that point). At the rate they've been dropping they are only a few days away from $15.
In the game of Woke, the goal posts can be moved at any moment, the penalties will apply retroactively and claims of fairness will always lose out to the perpetual right to claim offense.... Bret Stephens
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. George Orwell.
We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. Ayn Rand.
User avatar
68Camaro
Too Busy Posting to Hoard Anything Else
 
Posts: 8414
Joined: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:12 am
Location: Disney World

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby Cu Penny Hoarder » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:42 am

Just checked a few bullion sites.

Inventories are 95% cleaned out. Some 90% left on Apmex, but very high ($10 over spot) premium.

ALL silver bars are gone, even the generics. All newer ASE's and CML's are gone.

Apparently, there were people who did not mind paying the higher premiums.
Time is precious, stop wasting it.
Cu Penny Hoarder
Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 2418
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:44 pm

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby pennypicker » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:30 am

Cu Penny Hoarder wrote:Just checked a few bullion sites.

Inventories are 95% cleaned out. Some 90% left on Apmex, but very high ($10 over spot) premium.

ALL silver bars are gone, even the generics. All newer ASE's and CML's are gone.

Apparently, there were people who did not mind paying the higher premiums.

Big disconnect between paper and physical silver right now. Junk 90% is bringing 14x face on ebay!
"If I had to pick one player to take the last shot to win the game I would pick Michael Jordan...if I had to pick one player to take the last shot to save my life I would pick Larry Bird"--PAT RILEY, L.A. Lakers Head Coach

"I'd rather play against Michael Jordan than Larry Bird...Jordan made you look bad but Bird made you look stupid!"--JAMES WORTHLY, Laker Hall-of-Famer
User avatar
pennypicker
1000+ Penny Miser Member
 
Posts: 1274
Joined: Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:34 pm
Location: Victorville, CA 92395

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby shinnosuke » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:02 pm

I just paid $18.05/ASE. Didn't get as many as I wanted, but I figure when silver prices boomerang $18 will be cheap.
“Google is what happens when we pool information energy on a software network. Everyone understands this. Bitcoin is what happens when we pool monetary energy on a software network. Few understand this.”
Michael J. Saylor
User avatar
shinnosuke
Super Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 3908
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:10 pm
Location: Texas

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby ScottyTX » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:30 pm

Humm looks like there's some 35% war nickels at spot, debating on pulling the trigger on those....
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance. "
Laurence J. Peter
User avatar
ScottyTX
1000+ Penny Miser Member
 
Posts: 1320
Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 3:00 pm
Location: Montgomery, TX

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby shinnosuke » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:47 pm

ScottyTX wrote:Humm looks like there's some 35% war nickels at spot, debating on pulling the trigger on those....


Oh, why not? You know you want to... You could turn around and sell them here in a worst case scenario. Well, in that scenario you might want to spend them at Kroger or HEB after educating the store manager.
“Google is what happens when we pool information energy on a software network. Everyone understands this. Bitcoin is what happens when we pool monetary energy on a software network. Few understand this.”
Michael J. Saylor
User avatar
shinnosuke
Super Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 3908
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:10 pm
Location: Texas

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby Cu Penny Hoarder » Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:09 pm

shinnosuke wrote:I just paid $18.05/ASE. Didn't get as many as I wanted, but I figure when silver prices boomerang $18 will be cheap.


Very decent. Where?
Time is precious, stop wasting it.
Cu Penny Hoarder
Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 2418
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:44 pm

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby Zincanator » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:08 pm

Went to the grocery store today and they were sold out of Jello.

Strange days indeed.
User avatar
Zincanator
Penny Pincher Member
 
Posts: 241
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:20 pm

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby deacon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:46 pm

This market is so strange. Everything is going down, even commodities. I can't decide if I want to buy more shares, or back up the truck. Too bad premiums look like they are high on metals.
User avatar
deacon
Penny Collector Member
 
Posts: 446
Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:16 pm

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby shinnosuke » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:36 pm

Cu Penny Hoarder wrote:
shinnosuke wrote:I just paid $18.05/ASE. Didn't get as many as I wanted, but I figure when silver prices boomerang $18 will be cheap.


Very decent. Where?


On another coin forum, I won't mention the name here but its initials are BS.
“Google is what happens when we pool information energy on a software network. Everyone understands this. Bitcoin is what happens when we pool monetary energy on a software network. Few understand this.”
Michael J. Saylor
User avatar
shinnosuke
Super Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 3908
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:10 pm
Location: Texas

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby Cu Penny Hoarder » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:46 pm

deacon wrote:This market is so strange. Everything is going down, even commodities. I can't decide if I want to buy more shares, or back up the truck. Too bad premiums look like they are high on metals.


The stock market was a huge bubble and the virus was the pin. Market will continue even lower and be suppressed for a long time to come. There will be bear market rallies, but they'll all be head-fakes. Economy and unemployment is going to get worse, even worse than during the great depression. The credit bubble has burst. The Fed will be buying everything in sight. That will slow the collapse down a bit, but won't prevent it. Hyperinflation hasn't even happened yet... just wait until that gets started - yikes.

Silver will be at these low prices for only a very short time. Premiums will come back down very slowly as the PM prices rise. Most inventories will be in short supply for foreseeable future.
Time is precious, stop wasting it.
Cu Penny Hoarder
Post Hoarder
 
Posts: 2418
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:44 pm

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby coppernickel » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:27 am

Markets, paper and commodities, are in confusion. The gold to silver ratio is over 1:100.

I am sticking to the fundamentals. Silver, gold, copper, and other metals have intrinsic value. If you don't hold it you don't own it. Government is using any opportunity to better control the population.

I've bought all the silver I can afford. Any silver I can find less than $20 an ounce is considered a deal. Yes, the spot price is lower, but with the FED, Treasury, and all the banks creating money and throwing it at the virus, I am expecting significant inflation.

Gold would be good, but my pockets aren't that deep. The copper and nickels already in storage get to stay.
Silver Monometalism is the most permanent and stable form of money the world has seen. Natural law and history prove silver value is best multiplied by gold and best divided by copper. It is only in this counterfeit currency time when the natural law appears suspended.
User avatar
coppernickel
1000+ Penny Miser Member
 
Posts: 1094
Joined: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:00 am
Location: American Redoubt

Re: Silver - Sub $13

Postby CLINT-THE-GREAT » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:23 pm

shinnosuke wrote:
CLINT-THE-GREAT wrote:now $11.84 at 1:30pm CST. Also oil is $20.64.......


Hey, hey, hey! It sure is great to see that great avatar of CLINT-THE-GREAT. Very nostalgic. .


I do sneak in here every once in awhile to make sure you guys aren't getting into too much trouble. :lol:


coppernickel wrote:. If you don't hold it you don't own it. Government is using any opportunity to better control the population.


THIS!!!! I was reading last week on the Silverbugs forum on Reddit last week about several people who was storing their PM's in Saftey Deposit boxes. With many banks closing their lobbies now, they weren't able to access their boxes. In fact one guy who literally started throwing a fit until they let him in, then the teller inside saiid they may not even reopen that branch EVER!!! As a lot of you know, they can clean you out and all banks are required to do is refund you your original safety deposit box fee. That's it. Their are so many Stories and YouTube videos about just such a thing. If you don't hold it, you don't own it

-The Great
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet."
- Abraham Lincoln

"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason so few engage in it."
- Henry Ford

"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work."
- Thomas A. Edison

"Put your money somewhere it won't just dissolve
-Barrytrot
User avatar
CLINT-THE-GREAT
Penny Hoarding Member
 
Posts: 613
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:08 am
Location: Central Illinois

PreviousNext

Return to Silver Bullion, Gold, & other Bullion Metals

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests