Do you believe the US will turn to looting/ dimes=groceries

[Sheikh_yer_Bu'Tay]

back on topic... One thing to consider if it ever gets to TSHTF. If you had planned to get into silver and gold for profit, you will need to have sold before this point. Who are you going to sell to, regardless of the then current melt, if the Internet has crashed and the Postal System is in chaos? You won't have a national audience to market to on ebay, you will only have immediately local individuals to barter with by then. Let's hope it never gets that bad :o

I hope it never gets that bad, too. The one thing no one mentions is medicine. My wife's medicine costs roughly $1,000 per month now. I will need Ag & Au to buy her medicine when the dollar collapses (IF I can get it at all).

[Delawhere Jack]

I just hoard the stuff so that there'll be less for everyone else.

[misteroman]

i read on yahoo about the people and the safe but it was the owners of the safe and that was all that was left of their house.

[involuntary tentacle]

i read on yahoo about the people and the safe but it was the owners of the safe and that was all that was left of their house.

the japanese consensus about the safe picture is

1) The clothes the people are wearing are too clean to be victims of the tsunami
2) If they were the owners, they would know the combination and would not need to pry it open
3) They suspect the two people in the picture breaking in are Koreans, based on how they are dressed (Korea and Japan go back a long way)

The odds of someone finding anything of theirs amongst the massive garbage soup is one in a billion. I think these dudes are just opportunists.

[Lemon Thrower]

the failure of the dollar as the reserve currency does mean a lower standard of living but does not mean dollars will no longer have value. the british pound lost reserve status almost 100 yrs ago but is still accepted at grocery stores.

on the other hand, some people i meet buy every dip as if things can never go bad. Taleb in his book Fooled by Randomness explains the error in this sort of thinking. picture a farmer who feeds a turkey every day for 3 years. if you graph the relationship between his visits to feed the turkey and the turkey's weight, you'd see a very strong correlation. right up until a few days before thanksgiving when instead of feeding the turkey he butchers it. so no matter how strong the correlation or past data, there is no assurance it will continue in the future.

[whatsnext]

Most people here look at silver as a SHTF retirement plan, I do not. It is a holding/profit to me. I dont see SHTF staying if at all. Sure some riots here and there.
How long can you riot before you starve?

Riots start first but are put down fast. Its the exact opposite of riots I'd worry about. Unlike 3rd world countries we have iron teeth made for chewing up the "dead enders".
Stuff you cant perpare for and dont have the unity to stop.

Civilization would have abandoned cities a long time ago if they were not easy to control.
You think the army will just disband in a dollar devaluation?

[exbingoaddict]

On "disenfranchised youths" playing a big role in that type of conflict I can agree at least, of course that's not something unique to immigrants although immigrant status and reduced economic opportunity can obviously be connected. But I'm not going near the religious issue personally.

As far as politics on this forum, I thought that some of the more heated political discussions at the old forum were driving away some new members who didn't happen to share the prevailing conservative or libertarian viewpoints and came more to learn about coins and economics. Just my take though.

There is politics in every aspect of life. Work, family, religion, etc. Give the people that admit their "politicans" credit for being honest about what they do.

[exbingoaddict]

Glad to see other people realize that gold and silver are worthless if civilization collapses. Food, water, shelter are key. Loafs of bread will trade for lead (bullets) not silver. Remember, in the fallout shelter, the man with the can opener is King.

Now if civilization stays intack but the dollar is not world currency and/or inflation monster comes. Gold and silver are king and we'll be burning FRNs for heat becuase they'll be cheaper then wood.

[VWBEAMER]

You might be able to get your DR to write her a prescription where she has a 60 or 90 day supply.

You can be honest and tell him your worried that the economy will collapse, or tell a lie and tell him your going on a trip around the world.

Depends on how cool your DR is, mine is a right wing extremest who doesn't care, so he gave me a 15 day extra supply every month for four months, so now I'm 60 days ahead.

A better option might be to find a non prescription substitute, but that's not always possible.

back on topic... One thing to consider if it ever gets to TSHTF. If you had planned to get into silver and gold for profit, you will need to have sold before this point. Who are you going to sell to, regardless of the then current melt, if the Internet has crashed and the Postal System is in chaos? You won't have a national audience to market to on ebay, you will only have immediately local individuals to barter with by then. Let's hope it never gets that bad :o

I hope it never gets that bad, too. The one thing no one mentions is medicine. My wife's medicine costs roughly $1,000 per month now. I will need Ag & Au to buy her medicine when the dollar collapses (IF I can get it at all).

[Sheikh_yer_Bu'Tay]

Thanks for the info, BEAMER. We had a six month supply and were rotating "stock". We decided to use it down to a two month supply for right now. Then, this summer, when our business picks up as it always does... I want to build it up to a one year supply. That is the shelf-life limit for her meds.

That is THE ONE THING I will gladly pay for in PM's when the time comes.

You might be able to get your DR to write her a prescription where she has a 60 or 90 day supply.

You can be honest and tell him your worried that the economy will collapse, or tell a lie and tell him your going on a trip around the world.

Depends on how cool your DR is, mine is a right wing extremest who doesn't care, so he gave me a 15 day extra supply every month for four months, so now I'm 60 days ahead.

A better option might be to find a non prescription substitute, but that's not always possible.

back on topic... One thing to consider if it ever gets to TSHTF. If you had planned to get into silver and gold for profit, you will need to have sold before this point. Who are you going to sell to, regardless of the then current melt, if the Internet has crashed and the Postal System is in chaos? You won't have a national audience to market to on ebay, you will only have immediately local individuals to barter with by then. Let's hope it never gets that bad :o

I hope it never gets that bad, too. The one thing no one mentions is medicine. My wife's medicine costs roughly $1,000 per month now. I will need Ag & Au to buy her medicine when the dollar collapses (IF I can get it at all).

[cesariojpn]

Gold and silver are king and we'll be burning FRNs for heat becuase they'll be cheaper then wood.

[shinnosuke]

Is that guy using the German mark of the Weimar Republic as wallpaper?

[Lemon Thrower]

Most people here look at silver as a SHTF retirement plan, I do not. It is a holding/profit to me. I dont see SHTF staying if at all. Sure some riots here and there.
How long can you riot before you starve?

Riots start first but are put down fast. Its the exact opposite of riots I'd worry about. Unlike 3rd world countries we have iron teeth made for chewing up the "dead enders".
Stuff you cant perpare for and dont have the unity to stop.

Civilization would have abandoned cities a long time ago if they were not easy to control.
You think the army will just disband in a dollar devaluation?

agree that risk from authoritarianism is bigger than risk of riots. its already here - traffic checkpoints, bogus tickets, TSA, etc. will only get worse.

on the other hand, the russian army basically disbanded when it wasn't paid.

[Thogey]

On "disenfranchised youths" playing a big role in that type of conflict I can agree at least, of course that's not something unique to immigrants although immigrant status and reduced economic opportunity can obviously be connected. But I'm not going near the religious issue personally.

As far as politics on this forum, I thought that some of the more heated political discussions at the old forum were driving away some new members who didn't happen to share the prevailing conservative or libertarian viewpoints and came more to learn about coins and economics. Just my take though.

Really?

I kinda miss those debates, as a minority, though. You guys did change my mind on a lot of issues.

Things are already breaking down, The crap on television/media is anesthetizing the sheeple. 80% (WAG) are asleep. But a lot of people are waking up a little. As far as 'disenfranchised youths' I have an idea who that is and we can all do without those idiots. If they try to disenfranchise anything on my property or neighborhood...then we got something for them right here.

[exbingoaddict]

Really?

I kinda miss those debates, as a minority, though. You guys did change my mind on a lot of issues.

Things are already breaking down, The crap on television/media is anesthetizing the sheeple. 80% (WAG) are asleep. But a lot of people are waking up a little. As far as 'disenfranchised youths' I have an idea who that is and we can all do without those idiots. If they try to disenfranchise anything on my property or neighborhood...then we got something for them right here.

And here I figured you for a wealthy white guy. Come on, the media tells that only the rich white males can succeed in life without the taxpayers aiding them... oh wait, the taxpayers did prop up the rich white guys too. Nevermind that thought.

Agreed, healthy debate is a good thing. There's no reason you can't disagree without being disagreeable. I think the nickel hoarders are kooks, they think non nickel hoarders are ignorant cave people. Yet we co exist together.

Are you trying to say you'd share your lead collection to any people trying to liberate your property?

[Thogey]

I am a white guy (+indian):lol: (not rich)

I meant minority in thought or opinion. This forum has moved me up and to the left in political thought.

Can someone break out that four points political chart. I used to be a little more of a flag waver. This forum has definitely moved my orientation away from right-wing Republican dogma. I actually despise the republican party. They really are parasites sapping the true patriots away persevering what's left of our liberty.

BTW I just stashed another 500.00 in nickels and 200 copper-coated lead trade units under my house.

[psi]

Thanks for the info, BEAMER. We had a six month supply and were rotating "stock". We decided to use it down to a two month supply for right now. Then, this summer, when our business picks up as it always does... I want to build it up to a one year supply. That is the shelf-life limit for her meds.

Could that be extended with refrigeration? Might be worth looking into.

[shinnosuke]

:lol:

I am a white guy (+indian):lol: (not rich)

I meant minority in thought or opinion. This forum has moved me up and to the left in political thought.

Can someone break out that four points political chart. I used to be a little move of a flag waver. This forum has definitely move my orientation away from right-wing Republican dogma. I actually despise the republican party. They really are parasites sapping the true patriots away persevering whats left of our liberty.

BTW I just stashed another 500.00 in nickels and 200 copper-coated lead trade units under my house.

Regarding (+indian), do you mean feathers or dots?

When you say to the left in political thought, you must mean libertarian instead of liberal. I have been a supporter of Ron Paul since I worked in his campaign office in his first run for office back in 1976. He represents me better than anyone in Congress...but I live outside his district. Anyway, you're right about the republocrats. They are hypocrites mostly and worse than the blatantly socialist Dems.

[AGCoinHunter]

:lol:

I am a white guy (+indian):lol: (not rich)

I meant minority in thought or opinion. This forum has moved me up and to the left in political thought.

Can someone break out that four points political chart. I used to be a little move of a flag waver. This forum has definitely move my orientation away from right-wing Republican dogma. I actually despise the republican party. They really are parasites sapping the true patriots away persevering whats left of our liberty.

BTW I just stashed another 500.00 in nickels and 200 copper-coated lead trade units under my house.

Thogey, I feel the same way. I by no way identify myself with "left" but I have moved away from anything dealing with the republican party. I consider myself a conservative libertarian.

[Thogey]

Blackfoot Indian per:Great-Grandma Grace

I'm definitely sick of all this war. What do we do when Qaddafi is gone? Don't the politicians realize the people we're "helping" hate us also? Are we going to 'own' this Libya [shucks] hole now too?

[psi]

As far as politics on this forum, I thought that some of the more heated political discussions at the old forum were driving away some new members who didn't happen to share the prevailing conservative or libertarian viewpoints and came more to learn about coins and economics. Just my take though.

Really?

I kinda miss those debates, as a minority, though. You guys did change my mind on a lot of issues.

Things are already breaking down, The crap on television/media is anesthetizing the sheeple. 80% (WAG) are asleep. But a lot of people are waking up a little. As far as 'disenfranchised youths' I have an idea who that is and we can all do without those idiots. If they try to disenfranchise anything on my property or neighborhood...then we got something for them right here.

I should say that things seem better on the new forum in my experience, and obviously I didn't think the old forum was all bad if I stuck around. I try to hear people out but some of the xenophobic talk strikes me as scapegoating, I wouldn't try to argue for PC style tiptoeing either though. My ancestors were part of a sometimes-hated underclass (Irish Canadian) but today I'm just 'Canadian', if I can't find a job I have no excuse.

'Disenfranchised' is sort of a loaded term and wouldn't be my first choice, but I was trying to suggest that young men with no jobs (or girlfriends) will tend to be more prone to violence than the rest of the population, whoever they are ('ethnic' background, urban or rural, etc). Extremism (individual or organized) can appeal to people with nothing to lose, but if opportunity presents itself most will choose to start a family and live peacefully instead. If your neighbors treat you as an enemy first then you are more likely to adopt an us vs. them stance as well. On the other hand you can also be so trusting that people walk all over you which is not ideal either.

[Rodebaugh]

"200 copper-coated lead trade units" .....

I am not sure I want to trade or not. It depeneds on how delivery is made.

Nickels are OK.......If they are the War time variety.

[Thogey]

Delivery method can vary. But if the recipient is not happy with the initial delivery method the next ones' free.

Not only that. I'm willing to trade 7 for 1 all day long.

[exbingoaddict]

Can someone break out that four points political chart. I used to be a little more of a flag waver. This forum has definitely moved my orientation away from right-wing Republican dogma. I actually despise the republican party. They really are parasites sapping the true patriots away persevering what's left of our liberty.

The 10 question quiz that tells 97% of people they are a Libertarians? (Warning: bubbles may be bursted, break out tin foil hats.) That quiz was created by the libertians as a marketing tool to try and convince everybody (expect Stalin and Ayatollah khomeini) They were in fact (wait for it, here it comes) LIBERTARIANS!

Gee whiz beaver, you're trying to say that most people are not libertarians? No, their not. However the quiz is rigged to make you think that. Frankly, many people consider themselves true libertarians are just fiscal conservatives. The other have of being a libertarian is also being a social liberal. So to be a libertarian, you hate taxes but also want open borders (come on over mexicans!). You want to end OSHA but you also think that drugs should be legalized.

Most people are complex in their political thinking and don't fit into neat little boxes. Meanwhile the major political parties of the United States used to be big tents, they have both gone through purges. (Example: The Democrats kicked the pro lifers to the crub and meanwhile the Republicans threw out pro choicers.) I digress...

[Thogey]

I don't know about all that. I know we do need some government.

But we should at least have the OPPORTUNITY to take care of our own affairs.