opinions on this 'spooky' Ebay auction?

[rexmerdinus]

Anyone know when "shotgun" rolling machines first became widespread? That would be a start for determining the maximum possible age of any roll...

[AGCoinHunter]

Like I said earlier, this bank never existed...

Check this out...

http://forums.collectors.com/messagevie ... did=809651

[cesariojpn]

As Pawn Stars/Hardcore Pawn/Oddities/whatever show where things are sold proves (and to an extent, the Traveling Grifter Shows, Pawn Shops, and Fly-By-Night Precious Metal buyers), people are too eager and greedy to get a huge payday for little effort and work.

I think you have found the answer!! WE NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE ONE OF THESE ROLLS ON THE PAWN STARS SHOW!!

I can see it now, the "old man" drooling, the "experts" being called, the haggling, etc

I figure someone can do the same results for alot less than the bids on eBay right now. It'll take abit more work, but you can make a passable wrapper like the one in the auction

Research and settle on a real banks name to use. Settle around the 1930's. The more older and out of business (say, around 1950's closures) the better, cause there will be little to no people to refute the claim and it'll trip up the expert abit.

I figure silkscreen the (REAL) bank name on brown wrapping paper instead of using an inkjet printer since inkjet runs when wet. Maybe "age" the paper abit to lend some authenticity (quickest way I can figure is below).

Find a couple of "cheap" AU sliders for the ends, load up the middle coins with some Morgan culls or other coins similar to Morgans, glue the wrapper with the stack, and rub the wrap between your hands and feet to "age" the paper.

Invent some BS story about how this came from "My Uncles Sisters Cousins Mothers Bastard Son, twice removed" Bank executive estate (use real names to stump the expert abit). Make sure you get the story and attitude down pat.

Now, here is where it'll get tricky.

If they buy the dupe, underoffer like crazy. If the expert says $4,000, ask $2,000. At this point, your in the hole for a few hundred dollars, no sense in being too greedy. So long as you clear the expense by a few hundred, it's gravy.

If the expert declares it as a fake.......LET THE F-BOMBS ROLL!!!!! "Disown" your "deceased relatives" on camera. Say your gonna be chastised by your wife and your gonna be sleeping in the car out on the curb. Do whatever it takes to lay the blame away from you. You need to portray yourself as the victim, not the fraudster.

I assume no responsibility if you undertake this idea in anyway, shape or form.

[Diggin4copper]

Hi, I have these unique Old rolls of CC Morgans that I would like you to sell for me.. Oh, I see you sell .99 cent items on Ebay.. Perfect!

[jtlee321]

And the ending bid on the auction that this topic is about...... $4194.44! Good luck to the buyer!!

[cesariojpn]

And the ending bid on the auction that this topic is about...... $4194.44! Good luck to the buyer!!

You gotta wonder if he'll rip it open or it'll sit in a safe deposit box for another couple decades.

[NHsorter]

And the ending bid on the auction that this topic is about...... $4194.44! Good luck to the buyer!!

Another one of his rolls is still open for bidding and is already over $4,400.00!!!
Pretty good profit for the $600 he probably has into these. What a bastard.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-SEALED-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-CARSON-CITY-NV-Bank-Roll-16-FULL-STACK-/251087860680?_trksid=p1984.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222001%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D16%26meid%3D105324918788625107%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D2%26

[Thogey]

That's amazing! I saw this thread and though about doing a $1200 bid. Before I read all the evidence ya'll provided.

If you go through his feedback you'll se a roll sold for over $5K

[Treetop]

Wow!

[stlouiscoin]

As Pawn Stars/Hardcore Pawn/Oddities/whatever show where things are sold proves (and to an extent, the Traveling Grifter Shows, Pawn Shops, and Fly-By-Night Precious Metal buyers), people are too eager and greedy to get a huge payday for little effort and work.

I think you have found the answer!! WE NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE ONE OF THESE ROLLS ON THE PAWN STARS SHOW!!

I can see it now, the "old man" drooling, the "experts" being called, the haggling, etc

I figure someone can do the same results for alot less than the bids on eBay right now. It'll take abit more work, but you can make a passable wrapper like the one in the auction

Research and settle on a real banks name to use. Settle around the 1930's. The more older and out of business (say, around 1950's closures) the better, cause there will be little to no people to refute the claim and it'll trip up the expert abit.

I figure silkscreen the (REAL) bank name on brown wrapping paper instead of using an inkjet printer since inkjet runs when wet. Maybe "age" the paper abit to lend some authenticity (quickest way I can figure is below).

Find a couple of "cheap" AU sliders for the ends, load up the middle coins with some Morgan culls or other coins similar to Morgans, glue the wrapper with the stack, and rub the wrap between your hands and feet to "age" the paper.

Invent some BS story about how this came from "My Uncles Sisters Cousins Mothers Bastard Son, twice removed" Bank executive estate (use real names to stump the expert abit). Make sure you get the story and attitude down pat.

Now, here is where it'll get tricky.

If they buy the dupe, underoffer like crazy. If the expert says $4,000, ask $2,000. At this point, your in the hole for a few hundred dollars, no sense in being too greedy. So long as you clear the expense by a few hundred, it's gravy.

If the expert declares it as a fake.......LET THE F-BOMBS ROLL!!!!! "Disown" your "deceased relatives" on camera. Say your gonna be chastised by your wife and your gonna be sleeping in the car out on the curb. Do whatever it takes to lay the blame away from you. You need to portray yourself as the victim, not the fraudster.

I assume no responsibility if you undertake this idea in anyway, shape or form.

I'll try to do one of these... thoughts? I'll post the results when I'm done. If you guys think it lives up to this one..... maybe, just maybe, I'll put it on feebay.

[Sheba]

For what its worth ... I wouldn't touch this auction with a 10 ft pole (not a problem for me anyway since I don't have that kind of money to gamble with and I don't gamble anyway! )

I feel sorry, in a way, for those who are bidding on this. Getting set up for a let down, I think.

[SilverStateGOP]

Umm yeah big issues here are, if a bank was taking in silver dollars and re-rolling them--as per his clues of various dates-- Most would be AU sliders from slight rubbing. Yes silver dollars were used vary raely back then but if your getting P,D,S,O mint coins mixed into the CC's at the "Carson city Bank" someone had it in their pocket for a while. Wonder how all those MS DMPL/PL coins got in there........ I'm no expert but I'm thininking the bank wouldn't roll together 15-20.00 back in the 1800's. For them to do that there would have to have been quite the demand for silver dollars running rampant and that was just not the case. Besides, if someone wanted a bunch, the bank most likely had to place an order from the Federal bank and they most likely received them in a bag.... Scam artist should be shot in at least one knee just on principles

Nah.. sledgehammer.

SSGOP

[stlouiscoin]

it just occured to me... What if the guy he might be consigning them for is counterfeiting them??

[cesariojpn]

Umm yeah big issues here are, if a bank was taking in silver dollars and re-rolling them--as per his clues of various dates-- Most would be AU sliders from slight rubbing. Yes silver dollars were used vary raely back then but if your getting P,D,S,O mint coins mixed into the CC's at the "Carson city Bank" someone had it in their pocket for a while. Wonder how all those MS DMPL/PL coins got in there........ I'm no expert but I'm thininking the bank wouldn't roll together 15-20.00 back in the 1800's. For them to do that there would have to have been quite the demand for silver dollars running rampant and that was just not the case. Besides, if someone wanted a bunch, the bank most likely had to place an order from the Federal bank and they most likely received them in a bag.... Scam artist should be shot in at least one knee just on principles

Given how the daily wages were back then.....

[im2shakey]

I trust no EBAY auction...last year I bought a roll of 1996 ASE's and when I got them I looked at the first 5 or 6 and all was great...about 6 months later pulled then out of SDB only to find out that the bottom 9, Rare,Unc,MS , coins looked like someone played poker with them...i was furious...after all the time had passed their was nothing left to do...so now I am the proud owner of 9 junky scratched 1996 Eagles that I payed a premium for...ohh well...lesson learned...now I'm a member of bullion stacker and realcent.

[HoardCopperByTheTon]

if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....it's probably a duck!
These rolls are as fake as a $3 bill. How would a 100+ year old roll get that dirty without the coins on the ends getting any toning on them?

Hey, I have some real $3 bills. But I agree, this is definately eBay sucker bait!