Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
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Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by rsk1963 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:22 am
My friend came to me recently with this, looking for prices/whether he should get it authenticated etc. I told him what I thought, and then said I would post it here, and see what the other jurors had to say about it.
those that sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by Verbane » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:23 am
Ireland, Elizabeth I (1558-1603), Third Coinage (1601-2). Hammered coinage.
The shilling should be Billon composition, but this apprears to be copper/bronze? Could be the coloring from the scan since billon is only 40% or less silver, but I would expect a grayer color.
Strike and almost perfect roundness are setting off some warning bells.
I'd like to see some close up pics out of the flip.
edit to add: I don't believe this is a miss-identified denomination. The 1601 1/2penny and penny should have the date flanking the Harp.
The shilling should be Billon composition, but this apprears to be copper/bronze? Could be the coloring from the scan since billon is only 40% or less silver, but I would expect a grayer color.
Strike and almost perfect roundness are setting off some warning bells.
I'd like to see some close up pics out of the flip.
edit to add: I don't believe this is a miss-identified denomination. The 1601 1/2penny and penny should have the date flanking the Harp.
Last edited by Verbane on Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by Verbane » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:31 am
This one weighs 5.17g:
http://www.baldwin.co.uk/coins/great-britain/shillings/elizabeth-i-base-silver-irish-shilling.html?usrc=1
weight 6.64g:
http://irishcoins.com/?id=5365
http://www.baldwin.co.uk/coins/great-britain/shillings/elizabeth-i-base-silver-irish-shilling.html?usrc=1
weight 6.64g:
http://irishcoins.com/?id=5365
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by rsk1963 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:21 pm
Verbane wrote:Ireland, Elizabeth I (1558-1603), Third Coinage (1601-2). Hammered coinage.
Strike and almost perfect roundness are setting off some warning bells.
Indeed, which is why it's here to be honest.
I will say that his late father inlaw (he being 73 now) had a massive collection including complete unc sets of morgans/peace/Bens (FBL of course), along with 200 or so pre 1900 gold coins and another 4 or 5000 pieces with about a third being from the 1700 & 1800's. And so it's authenticity is slightly more "believable" for a lack of better words because of the other amazing things he has in his collection, but yes the "niceness" of the piece, set off some warning bells in my head as well (for a convoluted story short).
those that sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by TheJonasCollegeFund » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:07 am
Let's see more goodies!!!!!
PLEASE
PLEASE
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by rsk1963 » Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:20 am
TheJonasCollegeFund wrote:Let's see more goodies!!!!!
PLEASE
lol, I'll ask him if I can get some coinporn, for the addicts around here. He has a Birds over (Chinese silver dollar) that I've asked him to get certified.
those that sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by rsk1963 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:09 pm
your wish is my command... I'll get em up this evening.
those that sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by rsk1963 » Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:56 pm
After a short discussion with him, here is some of the better quality items that he was ok with putting up.
Enjoy
Enjoy
those that sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by Numis Pam » Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:39 pm
Nice! 
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by Rosco » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:33 pm
Coin Porn causes a Twitch in my wallet 
Rarely Hand Sorts ....Hope that the Hoard goes to the Boys
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by rsk1963 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:15 pm
Rosco wrote:Coin Porn causes a Twitch in my wallet
try sitting down and bsing with the guy, and having them in your hands... makes for very difficult discussions sometimes.
those that sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
the bee...gathers it's materials from the flowers of the garden and of the field, but transforms and digests it by a power of it's own.
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Re: Neat Little 400 Year Old Piece
by thepmetalstacker » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:35 pm
love me some coin pron
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