careful

[Treetop]

Percentage wise... look it up. Im on dial up at the moment, it took me 30 seconds just to load this page. We arent killing dissidents of course, (yet) but we lock up lots of non violent folks at alarming rates.

even disregarding that it is pretty clear to see the police state forming... Honestly I discussed it so much elsewhere I dont feel like laying it all out. the mechanism for such is indeed being put in place though.... If it didnt go slowly and if they actually used these powers as they can as they made them law it simply wouldnt work. Little doubt they are waiting for a catylist. Im assuming it will be the issues stemming from a degrading dollar, or loss of jobs over the years which through globalism is likely to continue if individuals themselves dont force new paradigms....

[neilgin1]

"I have made you a tester of metals among my people,
that you may know and test their ways.
They are all stubbornly rebellious,
going about with slanders;
they are bronze and iron;
all of them act corruptly.
The bellows blow fiercely;
the lead is consumed by the fire;
in vain the refining goes on,
for the wicked are not removed.
Rejected silver they are called,
for the LORD has rejected them."
(Jeremiah 6:27-30)

----continues----

Jeremiah 7
Evil in the Land
The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD: "Stand in the gate of the LORD’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the word of the LORD, all you men of Judah who enter these gates to worship the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Amend your ways and your deeds, and I will let you dwell in this place. Do not trust in these deceptive words: 'This is the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD.'
"For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly execute justice one with another,if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever.

"Behold, you trust in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, make offerings to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, 'We are delivered!'—only to go on doing all these abominations? Has this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, I myself have seen it, declares the LORD.
Jeremiah 7:1-11

he who reads this far, this paste up of Jeremiah's Word has nothing to do with "religion", its between you and God, and i really pray you're hearing with another set of ears, and let this burn in real deep.

[Mossy]

Is that percentage wise? Or total jail population? Can you site your source for this, please.

Percentage, rated as per capita. I think it's for "behind bars only" as other countries might not have our parole system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ation_rate

[shinnosuke]

Percentage wise... look it up. Im on dial up at the moment, it took me 30 seconds just to load this page. We arent killing dissidents of course, (yet) but we lock up lots of non violent folks at alarming rates.

even disregarding that it is pretty clear to see the police state forming... Honestly I discussed it so much elsewhere I dont feel like laying it all out. the mechanism for such is indeed being put in place though.... If it didnt go slowly and if they actually used these powers as they can as they made them law it simply wouldnt work. Little doubt they are waiting for a catylist. Im assuming it will be the issues stemming from a degrading dollar, or loss of jobs over the years which through globalism is likely to continue if individuals themselves dont force new paradigms....

Ruby Ridge and Waco come to mind. Based on charges of child abuse, the Branch Davidian compound was surrounded. Then they gassed the place and burned it down to prevent the children from being further abused. Oh wait, they forgot to get the children out before they torched the building. A slight oversight, I'm sure.

[Mossy]

Well, they aren't being abused any more, are they?

Sort of like shooting someone to keep him from comitting suicide.

[neilgin1]

Barry, you ever read Huxley's "Brave New World"?....the man was mad genius with words, and WAY ahead of his time.

the pleasures available, while pleasing, are opiates. Keeps everybody entertained and their sensory organs sated. Thats 1st World Imperial living, sleek and clean, 6% of the global populace. The other 94% want that too. See? our Pleasure is our idol...its true.

[barrytrot]

Is that percentage wise? Or total jail population? Can you site your source for this, please.

Percentage, rated as per capita. I think it's for "behind bars only" as other countries might not have our parole system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... ation_rate

Wow, I did not realize that was the case. 1 in 32 people are tied to the court. That's quite high.

Hm, that does sound like it is building toward a police state.

So what do you recommend we do?

[hags]

The last step of self destructed dominance…….paranoia

okay then, but what you might term "paranoia", others might call the repetition of history. you say tomato, i say toemahto, and we'll split the difference.

Not intended for you Neil...I was aiming at Big Ben and his posse....unless I'm misunderstanding your comments?

I enjoy your alerts....and trader insight.....it's my previous livelyhood as well.....

hags

[Mossy]

Wow, I did not realize that was the case. 1 in 32 people are tied to the court. That's quite high.

Hm, that does sound like it is building toward a police state.

So what do you recommend we do?

And a darn bit of good having 1 in 32 involved with the courts does us, or taxes. Or productivity.

"What to do"? Beats me. "Tea Party"?

[Saabman]

Yes... Echleon has been around since Clinton.... but this goes waaaaay beyond Echleon. Write your elected rep's don't relent...this cannot stand!!!!!!!!!!!

way before, and the more you keep mentioning that word, which should havent been written in the first place, well.....and REALLY, what would writing these "reps" do anyway? except shine a light on you, and this will stand.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
-Thomas Jefferson

[neilgin1]

The last step of self destructed dominance…….paranoia

okay then, but what you might term "paranoia", others might call the repetition of history. you say tomato, i say toemahto, and we'll split the difference.

Not intended for you Neil...I was aiming at Big Ben and his posse....unless I'm misunderstanding your comments?

I enjoy your alerts....and trader insight.....it's my previous livelyhood as well.....

hags

dear Hags, brother, no snarkiness intended on my part...AT ALL. no. that is the last thing i wanna be towards anybody here...or in face to face life, the worlds aflame, drawing together is whats required, and cyber sniping?....not from me. i was only underlining the dreary historical repetition to what we see in these times, and believe me, as you well know, paranoia is always part of that script. sad, but true, thanks for the attaboy, you were in that life too, huh? Good to be out, aint it? most respectfully, neil

[neilgin1]

Yes... Echleon has been around since Clinton.... but this goes waaaaay beyond Echleon. Write your elected rep's don't relent...this cannot stand!!!!!!!!!!!

way before, and the more you keep mentioning that word, which should havent been written in the first place, well.....and REALLY, what would writing these "reps" do anyway? except shine a light on you, and this will stand.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
-Thomas Jefferson

agreed. But to walk with Jefferson, you have to be ready to pay the price, or as Captain Willard said in "Apocalypse Now", " 'Never get out of the boat'....Absolutely goddam right...unless you were going all the way".

and i dont think that this nation wants to get out of the boat, there's still lots of food, and free porn onboard, a nice bunk and clean sheets as well. Too much to lose.......so, way of the coyote. i have a feeling Ole TJ would agree.

[ardorlan]

Actually, NSA program Echelon has been doing this for years.

beauanderos, you know your stuff, and don't forget our other good friends
CALEA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communicat ... cement_Act
FISA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_In ... llance_Act

This even goes back to Western Union Telegraph -
http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/te ... rules.html (section 27)

I can't find the law itself, but Western Union was required by the US government to keep copies of all its Telegraphs. (this started at least in 1933)

You should see some of the stuff Darpa press releases says they are designing.

[traderchowder]

Slaves who aren't aware of the extent of and who enjoy their servitude are the best kind.

[frugalcanuck]

Kind of like all the people arrested for demonstrating against the pipeline. Peaceful protest results in being arrested. Thats what happened last week in DC and today in Ottawa. Police State I do believe

[neilgin1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote

[Mossy]

Kind of like all the people arrested for demonstrating against the pipeline. Peaceful protest results in being arrested. Thats what happened last week in DC and today in Ottawa. Police State I do believe

I know nothing of /these/ demonstrations.

Some "peacefull" demonstrations that I know more of have been very loud, very disorderly, and involved the destruction of considerable property, and some involved people being physically attacked.

I've seen the instructions organizers give their followers, and one big one is to not show anyone on their side being disorderly, but to turn the camera away or to turn it off. The old news media went along with them and refuse to show the rioters being violent, but concentrate on "police brutality".

That may change with digital cameras around and the internet. I hope so.